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Response from Google Tech Lead, Re: “Google May Be Stealing Your Mobile Traffic”

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Re: Response from Google Tech Lead, Re: “Google May Be Stealing Your Mobile Traffic”

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Post by shostack »

snappy173 wrote: post #62
cramforce wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UI logically and visually belongs to the opening app, indeed. If the page itself opens a modal it opens on top of the bar and it's close button closes that modal.

but it's not an "opening app" ... it's a search engine. with links to other sites. ... or is it?

Philosophical question...

If I hit the search bar on my Android device, and it opens Google Search in an app interface, is it an app, is it a search engine, or is it both? What about with their new strategy of integrating Google Search more closely into apps? How about then?

The line is so blurry as to be irrelevant. The wording on the responses seem to be on a different side of that philosophical argument, but I'm not sure it is that black and white.

Re: Response from Google Tech Lead, Re: “Google May Be Stealing Your Mobile Traffic”

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Post by antocv »

cyrusshepard wrote: post #3

This is a good response and I appreciate Malte's effort to engage publishers, but it doesn't calm my nerves about the biggest publisher complaint about AMP: Google owns the chrome (top navigation) on all AMP pages. This makes it easy to navigate back to Google (why would you ever want to leave?) and other publishers in the AMP ecosystem, but much harder to navigate to the publisher that created the page in the first…

Ill jump on the top post for now, and recommend everyone to use Yandex Search. Yes that is right. Not duckduckgo, because that one is anyway using Google in its backend.

Yandex is surprisingly good, take some time to try it out, whenever you think "oh shit results" and want to switch back to Google search, remind yourself how often you automatically rephrase your search when you dont find anything on Google either. Rephrase search, try again, you will find better results than what you had with Google.

There is less spam/ads, and you will discover whole new websites, and network of websites, some even foreign sites but in English.

It feels like using Google from 2004.

www.yandex.com and no Im not payed by them.

Re: Response from Google Tech Lead, Re: “Google May Be Stealing Your Mobile Traffic”

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Post by shostack »

cramforce wrote: post #31
aeharding wrote: post #8

So if I built my own personal ad network, I could make a PR and have it be accepted?

Somebody is currently doing that: An external contributor is currently building first class support for "My simple ad network that just wants to put an image with a link on the page" https://github.com/ampproject/amphtml/issues/5541 There are other ways to do it, though.

I've heard a lot of discussion in the ad community around how this limits competition of ad networks. Yes, it is awesome you have many on board for launch, but what of the ones who are not? Is there a publicly available process for getting included along with guidelines to set reasonable expectations for whether one will be included? If so, I'd love a link.

Re: Response from Google Tech Lead, Re: “Google May Be Stealing Your Mobile Traffic”

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Post by antocv »

the_duke wrote: post #124
lucaspiller wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the moment yes you are right, but if we want it to stay that way we need to do something about it now. I agree that people mainly use Google because it's the default, but if we aren't careful there won't be an alternative left that can stand up against them. The only hope we'll have then is that Facebook, Apple, Amazon or Microsoft decide to tackle Google head on, but in most cases where that has happened in the p…

With search, we already approaching that point. No other search engine comes close to the quality of Google, at least for certain topics. Outside of Russia, China, Japan and some other countries Google is the dominant search with a big lead. And that is troubling indeed! Competition is good. And necessary for a healthy market. It also means that Google has a huge amount of control over what information can be discove…

Bing is still using Google as its backend.

www.yandex.com is a really good alternative, I found it even offers better search results for most topic I look at.

Re: Response from Google Tech Lead, Re: “Google May Be Stealing Your Mobile Traffic”

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Post by antocv »

jdironman wrote: post #126
pyrale wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You know the cool thing about this integration ? Any part can be replaced. How do you replace search ? How do you get competitive against mail, youtube without the amount of data google uses to sell ad on them ?

All I hear is a challenge. I'm not a big data engineer, but I would be interested in seeing others take it as a challenge to develop a unique, effective, and open platform that rivals the Google monopoly.

Yandex is pretty good, they have search and a better mail than gmail, just try it out, you will be surprised. I was.

There was NO ads! You can actually read your email - and NO ads! That is amazing!

Re: Response from Google Tech Lead, Re: “Google May Be Stealing Your Mobile Traffic”

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Post by UweSchmidt »

"The original idea behind AMP was to allow content to be distributed to platforms (such as Google, Twitter and Pinterest) in a way that retains branding and monetization control for the publisher. AMP traffic is the publisher’s traffic. Period."

So far I haven't thought of Google as a platform like Twitter or Pinterest. I thought there was a free web with Google and Bing and good old Altavista searching and indexing it. Is making a website now similar to posting something on Facebook? Or why would they have to assure you that your traffic is your traffic, "period"?

If that's the case we need an urgent change in direction!

Re: Response from Google Tech Lead, Re: “Google May Be Stealing Your Mobile Traffic”

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Post by maxerickson »

antocv wrote: post #132
cyrusshepard wrote: post #3

This is a good response and I appreciate Malte's effort to engage publishers, but it doesn't calm my nerves about the biggest publisher complaint about AMP: Google owns the chrome (top navigation) on all AMP pages. This makes it easy to navigate back to Google (why would you ever want to leave?) and other publishers in the AMP ecosystem, but much harder to navigate to the publisher that created the page in the first…

Ill jump on the top post for now, and recommend everyone to use Yandex Search. Yes that is right. Not duckduckgo, because that one is anyway using Google in its backend. Yandex is surprisingly good, take some time to try it out, whenever you think "oh shit results" and want to switch back to Google search, remind yourself how often you automatically rephrase your search when you dont find anything on Google either. R…

I don't think DuckDuckGo is using Google.

https://duck.co/help/results/sources

In fact, DuckDuckGo gets its results from over four hundred sources. These include hundreds of vertical sources delivering niche Instant Answers, DuckDuckBot (our crawler) and crowd-sourced sites (like Wikipedia, stored in our answer indexes). We also of course have more traditional links in the search results, which we source from Bing, Yahoo, and Yandex.

Re: Response from Google Tech Lead, Re: “Google May Be Stealing Your Mobile Traffic”

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Post by antocv »

majewsky wrote: post #119
visarga wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People need to own the means of production. In this case, it's the search engine and social network. We can't rely on companies, because they are greedy, nor on government, because it is corrupt. This is what happens when we don't own the tools we use - we are subject to exploitation, others making fortunes on our backs and abusing us by incessant tracking. I'm amazed that there is no federated (not owned by a single…

Correction: There is no federated, anonymous search engine that gives good results .

There cant be.

People/powers-to-be would fuck it up, there would be "copyrighted material" and eventually it would be declared an illegal activity.

Only companies such as Google and Facebook prevail not due to technical reasons, but due to political power. They are selected by the likes of CIA, invested in and nourished to their position, and do their bidding. And alternatives are extinguished.

Google should not have existed had copyright laws been enforced as they are towards another search engine, thepiratebay.org

Re: Response from Google Tech Lead, Re: “Google May Be Stealing Your Mobile Traffic”

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Post by antocv »

maxerickson wrote: post #137
antocv wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ill jump on the top post for now, and recommend everyone to use Yandex Search. Yes that is right. Not duckduckgo, because that one is anyway using Google in its backend. Yandex is surprisingly good, take some time to try it out, whenever you think "oh shit results" and want to switch back to Google search, remind yourself how often you automatically rephrase your search when you dont find anything on Google either. R…

I don't think DuckDuckGo is using Google. https://duck.co/help/results/sources In fact, DuckDuckGo gets its results from over four hundred sources. These include hundreds of vertical sources delivering niche Instant Answers, DuckDuckBot (our crawler) and crowd-sourced sites (like Wikipedia, stored in our answer indexes). We also of course have more traditional links in the search results, which we source from Bing, Y…

Oh that is nice, was not the case last time I checked duck.

Still, duckduckgo is an US company, better stay away from those given the history of last decade.

Re: Response from Google Tech Lead, Re: “Google May Be Stealing Your Mobile Traffic”

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Post by laurent123456 »

antocv wrote: post #139
maxerickson wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think DuckDuckGo is using Google. https://duck.co/help/results/sources In fact, DuckDuckGo gets its results from over four hundred sources. These include hundreds of vertical sources delivering niche Instant Answers, DuckDuckBot (our crawler) and crowd-sourced sites (like Wikipedia, stored in our answer indexes). We also of course have more traditional links in the search results, which we source from Bing, Y…

Oh that is nice, was not the case last time I checked duck. Still, duckduckgo is an US company, better stay away from those given the history of last decade.

So better go with Yandex, the Russian company?
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