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Post by grandalf »

snowwrestler wrote: post #822
grandalf wrote: post #699

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How is the NYT trustworthy. The front page contains a dozen or so anti-Trump stories and zero about anything in the email leaks. I want to trust the NYTimes but it's hard to take seriously a paper that ignores something important. The same would be true if it had ignored Trump's leaked tax docs.

That is because the recent email leaks just validated what everyone already knew about Hillary Clinton and her campaign. The fact that the emails were LEAKED OMG is not the newsworthy part. It is what is in them. And largely speaking, there's not much news in them. IMO a major problem in the U.S. today is that not many people understand how political campaigns or the federal government actually work. So a lot of peop…

Not sure I agree.

Is a conspiracy by top officials at the DNC to harm a party candidate during the primary a minor deal? To me this is corruption at close to the highest level. Yes, it's a private org, but one that is critical to the functioning of our democracy.

Is a candidate making promises to wall street that directly contradict her campaign promises a minor deal? Well, we can cynically assume all pols are dishonest, or the press can help us simply hold all pols accountable for their promises. I'd like to see fewer promises made and more promises kept. It was frankly a bit shady that HRC refused to release the transcripts, and I think there is a newsworthy story detailing the interest groups she was courting and why they are so influential in American politics.

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Post by blhack »

huahaiy wrote: post #908
blhack wrote: post #815

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I haven't seen anything that egregious from the NYT. Can you link to this email, please?

It's not that hard to search Wikileaks. What I did was searching for emails sent by Podesta himself. There are not many of them, so you can easily read through all of them. Many of these emails are him giving instructions or approving drafts from NYT. Go ahead, read them and make up your own mind.

I've searched wikileaks, I've also searched google for stories talking about that. And the best I can find is somebody talking about a story that a journalist asked them for comment on.

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Post by shard972 »

anthony_romeo wrote: post #237

We're in the middle of some crazy propaganda war right now, and it's been this way for quite a while. It became completely transparent when the Podesta e-mails were released mere minutes after Trump's videos regarding possible sexual assault were released. Ever since the DNC leaks and the subsequent accusations against Russia, it became clear to me that, at some point, the attempts to tarnish Wikileaks's name was to…

> We're in the middle of some crazy propaganda war right now, and it's been this way for quite a while. It became completely transparent when the Podesta e-mails were released mere minutes after Trump's videos regarding possible sexual assault were released.

Huh? I remember the leaks coming out first then the video? I remember because I had fox news live on in the background, they started talking about the email dump and when they came back from break it was pussygate.

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Post by ghurtado »

slg wrote: post #867
ghurtado wrote: post #854

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> You are disagreeing with an argument I didn't make. > I simply stated that the ideas someone can't be raped if they have previously had consensual sex with their rapist or that they must immediately end contact with their rapist are ignorant ideas. Agreed. Luckily the commenter you were calling "ignorant" never claimed anything of the sort, so I'm afraid you're the one that started this particular straw man (perhap…

>Sweden has hunted Assange for 6 years for the 'crime' of being promiscuous with the wrong women. Oh, and he did not use a condom, but the 'rape victim' still did not mind having dinner with him afterwards... Given the fact that they'd had intercourse several times before during the same night I don't the claim would stick. I mean OP put both crime and rape victim in scare quotes and their first argument as to why is…

I definitely see your point about the wording, and I'm also not in love with it.

I guess I was approaching the situation from the known information of the case, which is fairly clearly a very crude attempt at finding a crime of rape where one doesn't exist (even the supposed "victims" deny there was rape).

I could see how the parent's wording is off putting, but notice how I've also put "victims" in between quotes. None of the evidence of the case points at them being victims. Therefore, there is no evidence (not just strong evidence, but any evidence) that a crime was committed. I think that's a fair use for quotes, and no more or less dishonest than calling them "scare quotes". If an accusation of a crime stands on a very flimsy foundation of made up evidence, I think it is fair to call it a "crime".

Maybe if you read the comment as coming from someone who has ill feelings against the government of Sweden for doing this (rather than any ill will against the alleged victims) you will see that it's not so cut and clear that the parent is a misogynist or ignorant with regards to rape or whatever other first impression you may have received from the comment.

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Post by shard972 »

sytelus wrote: post #583
anthony_romeo wrote: post #237

We're in the middle of some crazy propaganda war right now, and it's been this way for quite a while. It became completely transparent when the Podesta e-mails were released mere minutes after Trump's videos regarding possible sexual assault were released. Ever since the DNC leaks and the subsequent accusations against Russia, it became clear to me that, at some point, the attempts to tarnish Wikileaks's name was to…

Is there something really damaging in Wikileak emails? Even on Fox News they are not able to mention anything that is at the level of Trump tapes. Sure, there is some amusing stuff and quipes by aggressive campaign staff about opponents but nothing that can points to big corruption directly on Clinton's part. The media coverage is unexpectedly very low but I can see why media will want to put these rather boring emai…

> Is there something really damaging in Wikileak emails?

The most damaging thing at the moment would have to be the attempted bribery from the under secretary to the FBI. Even in their excuse they are kind of admitting they attempted to bribe, but it just failed so we shouldn't worry.

The other part that really gets me is the death penalty question that the head of the DNC smuggled out of CNN when she was working there. I don't know how she hasn't resigned when you have been caught working within the media to manipulate things to benefit your prefered candidate.

And that skips over the whole issue of how the DNC was bias against bernie, it's just pilling on now how rigged the system was against him.

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Post by shard972 »

xenadu02 wrote: post #667
skylan_q wrote: post #620

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These are completely different things. What's in those emails is FAR more damming than some foul-mouthed quips. Gross FCC violations, for one.

Two things: 1. Having read the emails I disagree that there is anything damning in them. Even when campaign staffers suggested bad things they got shot down. The email releases have been one big nothing-burger after another. The media is like a toddler... unless you have something interesting going on their attention wanes quickly. 2. The Trump sexual assault tape is not bad because he had a foul mouth. In some cases…

> Having read the emails I disagree that there is anything damning in them.

So you think it was fine for the current head of the DNC to leak questions from CNN to hillary during the primary?

And you think it's fine for the under secretary of state to be trying to bribe the FBI to reduce the classification of emails found on her server? Personally I don't see how that isn't a crime.

A subpoena was already in place for those documents, it's tampering with evidence.

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Post by khattam »

leereeves wrote: post #141
Nadya wrote: post #128

I had began archiving the /news and /newest because a lot of the Wikileak threads I was upvoting were disappearing into the ether . Seems they were getting mass-flagged/killed, this one survived. Also seems there has been discussion earlier today but the threads were mass-flagged off the front page. Previously: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12722929 [208 points, 144 comments, buried] https://news.ycombinator.c…

Doesn't Hacker News automatically bury posts that get a lot of comments?

Only when it doesn't fit the narrative.

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Post by shard972 »

forgetsusername wrote: post #687
gotchange wrote: post #681

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No, I disagree. Trump is the Republican nominee for the 2016 US presidential elections which means that he's as much a politician as Hillary or Obama is and should be held against the same set of standards like every politician does and this notion that since he's novice in this field he deserves to get preferential treatment and be forgiven for all his mistakes and wrongdoings is bit disingenuous.

> Trump is the Republican nominee for the 2016 US presidential elections which means that he's as much a politician as as Hillary or Obama is I hope you're kidding when you say he's as much a politician as Hilary. He has very limited political experience. She's been doing it for 30+ years. He's a candidate, but has held precisely zero public offices thus far. > this notion that since he's novice in this field he dese…

> He's a candidate, but has held precisely zero public offices thus far.

I'm not sure why that's a bad thing?

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Post by shard972 »

ZoF wrote: post #789
jazzyk wrote: post #675

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You are obviously missing the point here: Infowars does not hide it - it is on their website. Clinton campaign's plots/schemes would have remained unknown to the public, if not for Wikileaks.

This is not to mention that they aren't advocating 'free speech' like Alex Jones(not that I agree with him); they are actively fostering division and inciting violence between American citizens(using the mentally ill as their pawns) to manufacture outrage and promote a narrative. I encourage anyone reading to watch the video, acknowledge it's biased and draw your own conclusions. You can't edit words into someone's m…

This is the crux of what is going on in politics now. You can't simply trust your instincts when there is so much work going into manipulating those instincts.

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Post by shard972 »

the_duke wrote: post #483
gragas wrote: post #383

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If hundreds of pieces of direct evidence don't suffice, then I'm not sure what does. The Clinton Foundation has done countless extremely illegal and unethical things. Between CTR, the Bernie fiasco, the fake Craigslist ads, the "public and private" positions, I'm not sure how you can say that HRC isn't trying to create an alternate reality.

Every politician has public and private positions. That's just how politics works. The view the plebs demands often don't align with either the politicians vision for the country, what's possible near or long term, or the people you are indebted to (donors, etc). In many cases it's acceptable and even advisable, in my opinion. A head of state has insight into facts and knowledge of others about realities and facts th…

> Every politician has public and private positions. That's just how politics works.

So you agree that she is trying to create an alternative reality for private purposes?

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