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Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

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Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

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I do find myself confused by Assange's motivation when taken in context of his circumstances. If he has and holds evidence of something so damaging that a tweet of the supposed hash of the file is enough to be a threat to a person in power, then why has he allowed himself to live under effectively self-imposed house-arrest for the past 4 years? I can't imagine that the Wikileaks apparatus doesn't have sufficient op-s…

He could be tortured or pressure could be put on his contacts.

In the former case he might fear he releases the secret to stop the Dead Man's Switch, in the latter case his contacts might avoid him or be tortured themselves just to pressure JA, so it doesn't sound like a free life either.

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This story only states that Assange told them this along with his suspicion that he's been targeted by some state, not e.g. a tree falling or a jackhammer mis-jackhammering.

BBC has not verified any of those claims, and they went and reported it despite the fact that part of it either isn't clear or doesn't make sense -- what does it even mean to have his internet "cut"?

This story could just as well turn out to be of a tree or a jackhammer.

Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

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I do find myself confused by Assange's motivation when taken in context of his circumstances. If he has and holds evidence of something so damaging that a tweet of the supposed hash of the file is enough to be a threat to a person in power, then why has he allowed himself to live under effectively self-imposed house-arrest for the past 4 years? I can't imagine that the Wikileaks apparatus doesn't have sufficient op-s…

It's akin to a nuclear exchange. You can only use it once. It's MAD.

So you hold onto it to protect a high value asset - your life. Assume that you want charges dropped unto you - and you get that granted. Then you want something more annoying to the powers you control - maybe that would be granted. But at a certain point the cost to grant you wishes is going to be on the same level as the threat you hold over me, and then I may decide to take the fallout, and be done with it.

I suspect we're on the verge of this - Assange has something so damning that the fallout of having him taken out in broad daylight becomes something you contemplate. If this is so, at this point if Assange goes public with what he knows, he's a dead man anyway.

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From the bowels of 4Chan https://i.imgur.com/abcVS6q.jpg

Difficult to imagine this being "influenced" by Clinton. It feels like it would be to Trump's significant advantage if this happens. It plays directly into his narrative.

Difficult to imagine the person who called for Assange to be "droned" could influence anyone to cut his internet?

Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

#235
I'm a bit confused by all the comments here spinning off down conspiracy theories, but not much on facts.

"State actor" can only really mean UK or Ecuadorian government - or at the very least one of those two must be pulling the trigger.

If it's Ecuador that makes some sense, they control the connections to the outside world - they could just change some passwords and internet is cut. But that would be very obviously what had happened so why not just name them.

Alternatively the UK could cut the connection from outside the embassy. I don't see how that could be done without cutting off the internet for the whole embassy. That would possibly be in breach of the Vienna Convention [0] but at the very least I can't imagine it happening without creating a gigantic diplomatic stink.

Neither of those options sound that plausible. Is there a third I've missed? Somehow know it's Assange browsing and kill all his packets in flight?

Also, this is central London - the internet floats freely through the air. Contingency measure is tethering?

[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vienna_Convention_on_Diplomati...

Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

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post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What in the world makes you think they'd kill Assange? That seems extreme.

How about Hillary Clinton literally saying "Can't we just drone this guy?" [1] [1] https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/782906224937410562

True Pundit is not in any way shape or form a reliable source and this quote is completely unsourced.

Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

#237
We're in the middle of some crazy propaganda war right now, and it's been this way for quite a while. It became completely transparent when the Podesta e-mails were released mere minutes after Trump's videos regarding possible sexual assault were released.

Ever since the DNC leaks and the subsequent accusations against Russia, it became clear to me that, at some point, the attempts to tarnish Wikileaks's name was to prime the listening audience in a way such that when information so irreparably damaging would get released, the voters would have to choose between continuing a corrupt government and choosing an apparently mad authoritarian, and to soften the landing on the former. Since the RNC, Trump's campaign has been entirely pushing "Don't believe their lies", and the gaslighting from both sides seems to be hitting a nadir at this moment. It's becoming far more difficult to find reality in the fog.

These are indeed interesting times.

Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it really unlawful or did CNN lie about that?

Haha, sorry, should have added the /s to the end. Of course CNN lied. It's what they do.

Funny too because the argument is that Hillary wasn't negligent with classified data, thus why would Podesta emails be unlawful to read? Either information is classified and Hillary was criminally negligent or it's not and therefore nothing 'unlawful' about WikiLeaks.

More interesting that CNN thinks they can read them but the public can not. Media organizations have no security clearances and thus are subject to the same access as anyone else.

Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

#240

It suits Assange's narrative to say its a "state actor", just as it suited Yahoo's board to claim "state actors" as they disclosed their latest breach. Assange's ego really dilutes the wikileaks original goals and its no surprise that the actual doers in the organisation upped and left in 2010.

I had a neutral opinion of Assange until he posted (and then deleted) a tweet with echo parentheses. That made it pretty obvious he's not really in it for any noble purpose.
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