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Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

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Post by alva »

anonbanker wrote: post #875
droopybuns wrote: post #615

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I'd like to suggest a more significant conclusion. The trust I have had in the Wall Street Journal, New York Times, ABC/NBC/CBS, Democratic and Republican parties has been irreparably damaged. I've been a cord cutter for over a decade. This year I graduated to pitying people who repeat the latest front page story as naive fear-junkies. Everything is suspect. Why burn processing cycles reading stories that on their fa…

I know it's a rather sad state of affairs when I'm now reading /pol/ on 4chan to get my news nowadays. Once you filter out the noise, there's some intensive research and unbiased news there. Is anyone else doing this?

Yup. Significant signals amongst the noise. Lots of references to primary sources.

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Post by fluentintypo »

jacquesm wrote: post #127

- Is the whole embassy shut down? - Is there any direct reason for the timing (US elections, attack on Mosul or other current headlines)? - Was there any imminent release? (last week there was an announcement of a leak but it didn't materialize as far as I know) http://www.theverge.com/2016/10/4/13159914/wikileaks-hillary... - You'd assume that Wikileaks the organization will continue to work even without Assange hav…

There has been a new leak daily for the last 10 days and signs seem to indicate that is not stopping. They even released today despite all this drama.

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Post by EdHominem »

bduerst wrote: post #750
xenadu02 wrote: post #667

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Two things: 1. Having read the emails I disagree that there is anything damning in them. Even when campaign staffers suggested bad things they got shot down. The email releases have been one big nothing-burger after another. The media is like a toddler... unless you have something interesting going on their attention wanes quickly. 2. The Trump sexual assault tape is not bad because he had a foul mouth. In some cases…

Definitely agree on #1 - even Assange knew there was nothing in the emails which is why there was no "October surprise." Now they're releasing the emails in parcels to manipulate the 24 hour news cycle - e.g. "More Hillary Emails leaked!" There's no smoking gun in those emails, and the majority of the "There's a lot there" statements boil down to examples like this: http://i.imgur.com/eRRc02n.png?1

> they're releasing the emails in parcels to manipulate the 24 hour news cycle

That's be the tail wagging the dog.

They release daily to participate in the 24h news cycle.

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Post by drmcninjaturtle »

SamBam wrote: post #309
drmcninjaturtle wrote: post #281

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Have you looked? https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/782906224937410562

Respectable organizations don't copy text from unsourced articles on partisan blogs, change the font to Courier to make it look like a cable, and then screenshot the result.

Hmm, that's actually a good point, I didn't realize the primary source was so sketchy. Thanks for correcting me, seems I was too quick in my judgement. I'd like to edit/delete my comments, but I don't see the interface. Are HN comments immutable?

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Post by sflicht »

dragonwriter wrote: post #569
nickysielicki wrote: post #560

HN was particularly skilled at seeing through the FUD around the FBI iPhone crack, and this forum has also held a healthy skepticism for the way in which the FBI was able to break Tor and find DPR of Silk Road. I don't think it's an outrageous claim to say that in general, a sizable portion of this website (though perhaps still a minority) believes that the FBI has historically held-back information to the point of i…

> In the interest of full disclosure, I tend to lean more conservative than most people, especially relative to HN. So maybe I have my partisan goggles on here, but why are so many people buying into the idea that there is solid evidence that Russia is actually behind these leaks? Among other reasons, because cybersecurity experts who, insofar as they have partisan political bias that they might act on would be more…

Crowdstrike et al are more likely to support Clinton. They benefit from having neoconservatives (who unanimously oppose Trump) in charge at State/DoD, because their business depends directly on tense relations with Russia and China. They're just another part of the MIC at this point.

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Post by bsder »

anthony_romeo wrote: post #237

We're in the middle of some crazy propaganda war right now, and it's been this way for quite a while. It became completely transparent when the Podesta e-mails were released mere minutes after Trump's videos regarding possible sexual assault were released. Ever since the DNC leaks and the subsequent accusations against Russia, it became clear to me that, at some point, the attempts to tarnish Wikileaks's name was to…

> It became completely transparent when the Podesta e-mails were released mere minutes after Trump's videos regarding possible sexual assault were released.

Personally, I don't understand the brouhaha about all the Trump tapes. If you had even a remote inkling of fact about the man NONE OF THIS IS A SURPRISE.

While I'm definitely in the opposing camp, I have zero respect for those who are now abandoning Trump. You stuck with him on superficial grounds and now you are leaving on superficial grounds. Nothing about the man has changed.

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Post by tunap »

hiringmanager wrote: post #782
ta_donk_gt wrote: post #728

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Behavior such as these from CNN: [1] and [2] has been par for the course for the mainstream media as far as I have seen this year. Scare, divert, suppress, collude, whatever it takes to avoid the public getting to the truth if it will hurt their candidate. I just can't understand how this does not scare people. How is this different from the state run media in third-world countries we used to laugh at as kids? It may…

I can say that the media took a sharp turn around 2000-2001 era, especially after 9/11. The rise of 24x7 news outlets and the internet (which has killed journalism in newspapers financially) turned it into basically a PR agency for the government and powerful interests. "Scare, divert, suppress, collude" have been tactics that have gone on at least for the past 16 years. In fact, I think they were going on in the 15…

Tried t quote you, but my mobile browser does not work well here.

Your 'tinfoil hat conspiracy theory' is anything but. Balanced, objective reporting in the US died in 1987, the very day it was no longer required by law:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness_Doctrine

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Post by guscost »

nickysielicki wrote: post #560

HN was particularly skilled at seeing through the FUD around the FBI iPhone crack, and this forum has also held a healthy skepticism for the way in which the FBI was able to break Tor and find DPR of Silk Road. I don't think it's an outrageous claim to say that in general, a sizable portion of this website (though perhaps still a minority) believes that the FBI has historically held-back information to the point of i…

> For comparison, a quick Google suggests suggests there are roughly 1.25MM lawyers in this country. And yet, when a controversial court decision is made and journalists are expected to write on it, the press generally is able to grok the arguments made and summarize it in some form. If a presser is held, they are capable of asking relevant questions and challenging things. I don't think that's the case when it comes to anything related to computers, and I think that's indicative that our liberal arts colleges are failing to stay up-to-date.

Are you a CS professional by any chance? This sounds like the Murray Gell-Mann Amnesia effect: http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/231746/after-seei...

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Post by bduerst »

EdHominem wrote: post #893
bduerst wrote: post #750

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Definitely agree on #1 - even Assange knew there was nothing in the emails which is why there was no "October surprise." Now they're releasing the emails in parcels to manipulate the 24 hour news cycle - e.g. "More Hillary Emails leaked!" There's no smoking gun in those emails, and the majority of the "There's a lot there" statements boil down to examples like this: http://i.imgur.com/eRRc02n.png?1

> they're releasing the emails in parcels to manipulate the 24 hour news cycle That's be the tail wagging the dog. They release daily to participate in the 24h news cycle.

Yes, semantically speaking, manipulating the 24 hour news cycle does require participating.

If there was any actual news in the emails, released each day, then it wouldn't be manipulation. It would be news, like how WashPo released the Trump sex assault tape the same day they got it.

As it is now, they're withholding empty, hacked information and timing the releases to participate and manipulate headlines during the U.S. election period.

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