Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut' • Hacker News Board

Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

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Post by spaceheeder » Mon, Oct 17, 2016, 9:40 PM UTC

pdx wrote: post #819

spaceheeder wrote: post #719

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You and I must understand entirely different things when we read the phrase "premeditated collusion with the media." Those media organizations and those journalists may have editorial and personal opinions on who they would prefer to win the election, but there's one thing they care more about than any of those preferences: access . The idea that the press wouldn't or shouldn't care about vacuuming up every talking p…

Why don't you debate this? http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-17/politicos-chief-pol... Glenn Thrush, Politco's Chief Political Correspondent, decided to make it crystal clear in the following email to Podesta back in April 2015 in which he admits that he has "become a hack." The email below from Thrush was sent to get guidance related to an article he published the very next day entitled "Hillary's Big-Money Dile…

This isn't disproving my thesis that people on political beats sacrifice impartiality and independence on the altar of access.

Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

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Post by feelix » Mon, Oct 17, 2016, 9:42 PM UTC

javajosh wrote: post #666

droopybuns wrote: post #615

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I'd like to suggest a more significant conclusion. The trust I have had in the Wall Street Journal, New York Times, ABC/NBC/CBS, Democratic and Republican parties has been irreparably damaged. I've been a cord cutter for over a decade. This year I graduated to pitying people who repeat the latest front page story as naive fear-junkies. Everything is suspect. Why burn processing cycles reading stories that on their fa…

It saddens me greatly to hear this sentiment reflected here at Hacker News. To reject the entire institution of journalism is a radical position, and not justified by fact. Manipulating the timing of release is a common tool used by literally every public figure and institution. To characterize timing manipulation as collusion and to imply that it means no-one can be trusted is a critical mistake. Given my position,…

> what would undermine the credibility of an institution of journalism

You missed out the most important thing which would undermine the credibility of an institution of journalism. And it is the the most common one which is the most heavily engaged in. And that is choosing not to report certain stories and facts, even though they are of great significance.

Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

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Post by linkregister » Mon, Oct 17, 2016, 9:42 PM UTC

kbenson wrote: post #792

linkregister wrote: post #773

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I don't think it's entirely fair to blame this imbalance on Wikileaks; they may not have received any information derogatory to the Trump campaign. Wikileaks' current agenda appears to be to disrupt Western governments through leaking damaging information. I don't see a clear preference for political parties; the Manning leaks were damaging to the Republican Bush administration. I believe that the most probable sourc…

While I'm not sure you can entirely fault Wikileaks for the material they receive, I do believe I can fault them for their release policy. I'm not sure of any reason to dole out the leaks slowly over time, leading up to the election. All that does is reduce the time available to get useful information, context and verification about the leaked data. That seems less about journalism informing the public, and more abou…

Absolutely Assange has had an anti-Hillary slant; I don't consider Wikileaks and Assange to be the same. Maybe I should (?). I guess I give leaders to have the latitude to have opinions that don't represent their organizations.

One look at Assange's Twitter is all it takes to see the obvious anti-Hillary bias. The shrill "Hillary's got an earpiece!" post is one of the most glaring examples.

Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

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Post by erispoe » Mon, Oct 17, 2016, 9:43 PM UTC

pdx wrote: post #554

anthony_romeo wrote: post #237

We're in the middle of some crazy propaganda war right now, and it's been this way for quite a while. It became completely transparent when the Podesta e-mails were released mere minutes after Trump's videos regarding possible sexual assault were released. Ever since the DNC leaks and the subsequent accusations against Russia, it became clear to me that, at some point, the attempts to tarnish Wikileaks's name was to…

To further what you're saying. Wikileaks announced for weeks when they were releasing the emails. It was a pre-planned event that the entire world was waiting for. The Trump tape, which had obviously been saved for a rainy day, was trotted out to distract from the pre-announced Wikileaks release. This level of premeditated collusion with the media is not even up for debate at this point, since the very emails they ar…

A distraction from what? There is nothing incriminating in the released emails. We learned that: DNC personnel liked Hillary Clinton better than Bernie Sanders and that Hillary Clinton was saying to bankers what she is saying in public. Where's the scoop that we are supposedly being distracted from?

Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Oct 17, 2016, 9:45 PM UTC

greendragon wrote: post #639

zzleeper wrote: post #603

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Given his attitude, Trump seems way more likely to invade other countries and n general sable rattle. Also, I wouldn't call what Obama did sable rattling. Russia did invade several countries in the last years (Georgia, Ukraine, and maybe I'm missing one more?). If you don't have a good response for that, then how can you be trusted to defend your other allies (Poland, etc.)

Trump's tone is abrasive, but do you remember the time he sucker punched someone he was yelling at instead of continuing to debate? Me neither. Despite what we want to infer from his personality, you don't get to his level by being out of control or incredibly impulsive. Besides, he's already started sabre rattling, but the threats are usually for the US to stop doing X, rather than to start doing Y. It creates a who…

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Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

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Post by vonmoltke » Mon, Oct 17, 2016, 9:48 PM UTC

ElComradio wrote: post #791

spaceheeder wrote: post #765

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Some of the Stern recordings were getting play during the primaries, but they weren't slowing Trump down since his opposition was split among so many different candidates. The bus tape was archival footage. If you're suggesting that every hour of archival audio and video of Mr. Trump should have been sought after as soon as he became the nominee, then, again, you're underestimating just how volatile and fickle the ne…

Occam's razor _supports_ my take. Regarding Stern, CNN had as "BREAKING NEWS!@ ! " that Trump told Stern it was OK to call Ivanka a piece of ass. Possibly CNN was lying about presenting this as something they just discovered; is that what you are claiming? Yes, I am suggesting that every show would have stuck someone (more likely, a team) on reviewing their material (prioritizing the outtake material, if anything) on…

CNN once called the sinking of the Titanic "BREAKING NEWS": http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnn-breaks-news-of-titanic-sinkin....

Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

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Post by baakss » Mon, Oct 17, 2016, 9:50 PM UTC

threeseed wrote: post #104

Chris2048 wrote: post #78

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> wasn't considered a rapist but rather a role model in large chunks of the population Pop history. Be specific (time, place, evidence) or stop with the demon-haunted characterisations of the past.

Pop history in particular artistic works are reflective of society. Look at early Bond movies for example. Quite a lot of behaviour in those movies would be considered sexual assault if happened today.

>Pop history in particular artistic works are reflective of society. Look at early Bond movies for example.

The Human Centipede

Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

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Post by mhei » Mon, Oct 17, 2016, 9:52 PM UTC

anigbrowl wrote: post #574

xname2 wrote: post #547

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Yes. Only the raw video matters. They should publish all the raw video. Otherwise, everything in the video is just fake.

I worked for years as a film professional, including screenwriting and editing. It is very easy to lie with footage. The craft of editing is to make the edits disappear so that changes in camera angles and content appear natural and seamless. We employ misdirection to exploit a phenomenon in the brain known as suture, which creates the illusion of continuity. As a simple example, in a narrative film I'll cut from ang…

EDIT: Nevermind, found the proper name: Kuleshov effect.

Could you elaborate on the Kuliekov effect? Couldn't find anything related with a quick google search.

Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

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Post by pdx » Mon, Oct 17, 2016, 9:53 PM UTC

the_duke wrote: post #572

pdx wrote: post #567

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Your cognitive dissonance is astounding, but perhaps understandable. You recognize and admit (as you have no choice doing, after the mountain of proof) that the media willingly prostitutes itself to further the cause of the current administration, with no regard for actual truth. But you allow yourself to be influenced in your opinion of Donald Trump by that same media. Imagine if a mean girl in your office told ever…

I don't need the media's opinion on Donald Trump. Watching a video of one of his rallies or a debate is sufficient to form my own opinion. He (is) - lies or distorts the truth almost everytime he opens his mouth - extremely authoritarian - very anti free media (at his rallys, media is cordoned off and he gets the crowd to yell at them for minutes. that is if the outlet hasn't been banned for reporting the truth. I wo…

    >racist (again, no more evidence needed, he said it all)

You're wrong, and I think you know it. Liberals have used the racist word against anybody who was winning an argument with them for too many years. It ends now.

Trump has more support of black and hispanic people than any other Republican presidential nominee. [1] He has that because the ones who speak English (not getting their news only from Univision) understand that he wants to help Americans of all ethnic groups.

The co-opting of minority votes by the democratic machine is legendary, but it's over. Those minority AMERICANS that are getting the message undistorted by the media are understanding that their lives are made worse by liberal policies, not better.

It's not racist to wish to enforce current immigration law. It's not racist to wish to protect the jobs and lives of American citizens. If you're reading HN, I know you actually understand this, but choose to spit venom anyway.

[1] http://truthfeed.com/trump-surging-with-black-americans-beat...

Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

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Post by shoehornhands » Mon, Oct 17, 2016, 9:54 PM UTC

novalis78 wrote: post #709

skylan_q wrote: post #635

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I've been there for a while. I only trust a few people who thanklessly go through materials and study issues in detail. If I want to verify further I can only then trust primary sources and direct evidence. For a long time now, all forms of traditional media have had a bent. It's just gotten very monied and politicized as of late.

One option of course, which as a European who had to live with media-government collusion his whole life, is to triangulate: Read foreign media, read political opponents views on the same topic as the mainstream media, read (if available) conflicting mainstream media stories. Take it all in, and triangulate. Very often the BS from one side cancels out the BS from the other side and you are not closer to reality. But…

> One option of course, which as a European who had to live with media-government collusion his whole life, is to triangulate

That's what's really depressing about this: it is absurdly easy to get to the bottom of whether a fricking blender is worth buying, but important events happening in the world? Get your researchin' shoes on.

By the way, thank you very much for your input - your experience in that arena is unique and very valuable to the discussion.