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Re: Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions

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Post by purephase »

Turing_Machine wrote: post #308
purephase wrote: post #284

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You'll need to source that. Despite some evidence in his later actions, Strom never vocally repudiated his earlier racism. I couldn't find any sources on it. His filibuster against the Civil Rights Act put him in this position. Had he succeeded, his impact would have been far more detrimental to the rights of those protected under the act today then anything Byrd had/has done. Both are disagreeable sorts, but Strom's…

"His filibuster against the Civil Rights Act put him in this position." "His"? Singular? Both Byrd and Thurmond attempted to filibuster the Civil Rights Act, so I don't know where you're getting "anything Byrd had done" from.

I should have been more specific. The 24 hour marathon filibuster, the longest in history, put him in this position. There were others who filibustered the Civil Rights Act bills, but none of them made such a dramatic show of it.

Re: Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions

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Post by aiig »

maratd wrote: post #237
aiig wrote: post #224

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> Living in a liberal and free society means tolerating views you find repugnant. Not if they call me a "faggot" on the street.

> Not if they call me a "faggot" on the street. Even then. Be an activist, go out and vote, fight for yourself, but don't attack others because they said something you didn't like.

> Even then.

How about you try getting chased out of a subway station after midnight getting called a "faggot" and we'll talk.

And people say that the SF tech class is out of touch.

Re: Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions

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Post by findjashua »

xupybd wrote: post #315
findjashua wrote: post #312

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#allracesmatter /s

I know this is in jest but I honestly think the world would be a much better place if race was totally off the radar. I'm not trying to say white males are victims but the more we draw racial lines the more we segregate our society.

I agree with your sentiment that society would be much better without racial segregation, but pretending it doesn't exist won't make it go away - the first step to fixing a problem is to acknowledge that it exists.

Re: Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions

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Post by [deleted] »

Turing_Machine wrote: post #308
purephase wrote: post #284

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'll need to source that. Despite some evidence in his later actions, Strom never vocally repudiated his earlier racism. I couldn't find any sources on it. His filibuster against the Civil Rights Act put him in this position. Had he succeeded, his impact would have been far more detrimental to the rights of those protected under the act today then anything Byrd had/has done. Both are disagreeable sorts, but Strom's…

"His filibuster against the Civil Rights Act put him in this position." "His"? Singular? Both Byrd and Thurmond attempted to filibuster the Civil Rights Act, so I don't know where you're getting "anything Byrd had done" from.

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Re: Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions

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Post by thequickeninger »

InclinedPlane wrote: post #71
mmanfrin wrote: post #52

There are some exceptionally toxic comments below.

Indeed. This may be the thread that gets me to leave HN for good. It feels like being inside a history book. It would be fascinating if it weren't so unsettling.

Yeah like it's the CURRENT YEAR. How can anyone disagree with what i'm thinking in the CURRENT YEAR?? How can anyone disagree with celebrities and politicians in the CURRENT YEAR????!

Re: Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions

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Post by edanm »

ilostmykeys wrote: post #301
dsacco wrote: post #142

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I agree with the thrust of your point - that organizations like YC should be allowed to uninvite or refuse to collaborate with people they are diametrically opposed to for political reasons. However, I do not agree that it's fair to call an investor's competency into question due to their political views. I agree organizations have every right to not affiliate themselves with those investors, but in the real world th…

You cannot be in a startup that is the next Google and be a supporter of someone who is a proven pathological liar and pu$$y grabbing sexual predator. That simply defies logic, if not the rules of common decency, and you need to be good at logic to be Google, or anyone (other than Trump)

Well that's just a ridiculous claim. Are you literally saying that no (successful) startup has ever been founded by anyone who is a pathological liar and a sexual predator? I'd love for you to be right, but I really, really doubt it.

And as is often pointed out by women, sexually predatory behavior is much more common than most men realize. (not sure if you are a man or woman, but putting it out there for other people, mostly because I also tend to forget this point).

Re: Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions

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Post by Turing_Machine »

paulv wrote: post #319
Turing_Machine wrote: post #303

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Ah, now we're playing the "selective quoting out of context" game. He said that he had based his Dixiecrat views on state's rights, not racism. Why do you believe Byrd and not him? Edit: given that they've both been dead for quite a while, I doubt that either Thurmond or Byrd is involved in much racist activity today.

No, we're playing the "you moved the goalposts" game. This started with your intellectually dishonest claims about Hillary Clinton and Robert Byrd. "States' rights" is a dog whistle phrase for racism.

No, I did not.

Why don't you provide the full quotes, in context? You didn't even provide a source for your quotes. Convenient.

You have absolutely no room to be calling someone else "intellectually dishonest".

Edit: if this "1998 interview" exists, Google appears to have no knowledge of it.

Re: Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions

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Post by Turing_Machine »

purephase wrote: post #321
Turing_Machine wrote: post #308

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"His filibuster against the Civil Rights Act put him in this position." "His"? Singular? Both Byrd and Thurmond attempted to filibuster the Civil Rights Act, so I don't know where you're getting "anything Byrd had done" from.

I should have been more specific. The 24 hour marathon filibuster, the longest in history, put him in this position. There were others who filibustered the Civil Rights Act bills, but none of them made such a dramatic show of it.

Byrd filibustered for 14 hours. Sorry, that might demonstrate that Thurmond had better bladder control, but that's about it.

Re: Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions

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Post by ScottBurson »

amyjess wrote: post #273
virgil_disgr4ce wrote: post #252

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Awesome find. Sharing this.

You're welcome! You might also be interested in some analyses I found of how these points apply to Trump. Unfortunately some of these links are a few months old so they don't mention some more recent events (the second debate gave us plenty of more material for #3 and #14 and probably others, and the whole thing with the tape and the sexual assault allegations adds fuel to #12): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1…

If I may offer one: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12175380

Re: Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions

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Post by bruceb »

sdenton4 wrote: post #220
dsacco wrote: post #142

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I agree with the thrust of your point - that organizations like YC should be allowed to uninvite or refuse to collaborate with people they are diametrically opposed to for political reasons. However, I do not agree that it's fair to call an investor's competency into question due to their political views. I agree organizations have every right to not affiliate themselves with those investors, but in the real world th…

Having Thiel on the board is a statement that intolerance based on race, gender, or religion is tolerable by yc. This in turn chills applications from startups working on problems not relating to white western males.

YC gets what 4k applications? You think founders are not going to apply to YC because of who Thiel gives money to?

Seems unlikely.

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