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Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

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I think the answer is simpler than some grand conspiracy of the global media elite (insert your preferred shadowy cabal here) , the sort of people who work in news agencies simply are not alienated enough from the current system to see trump as anything other than a danger to the current system of representative gov. and they also don't like being demonised and slandered by Trump, this requires no conspiracy, just th…

Agreed. I also think this is generally quite often true: what people perceive to be conspiracies are often as not instead emergent behaviors, rooted in the independent self-interested actions of a large number of individuals, acting with very loose or no coordination at all. Conspiracies, when they happen, seem to rather often fail; those requiring secrecy are in particular prone to failure. But people act according…

I agree with both of you and am a bit bewildered that I came a cross as a "grand" conspiracy theorist. The is a very simple reason why the press hates Trump so much. He has not only threatened to sue journalists very often but has also hinted at times that he would limit the possibilities of journalists if he was elected.

That being said, don't underestimate the amount of ordinary collusion and the work of spin doctors during election times. My point is that this is massive this time, definitely more than in past elections.

Finally, although I generally agree, a little warning about your last comment: Since we only see failed conspiracies, we lack the data to adequately assess the question of how much real conspiracy there is. ("conspiracy theories" on the other hand, are easy to debunk, but that's another issue.)

Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

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I think we should modify the Geneva convention to make cutting internet access illegal. I think everybody should have the freedom to express their ideology, even if jailed. It has always been legal to write letters from prison, it should be a fundamental right to express dissent, particularly when it's political.

Publishing from prison as a service? Maybe there is market for it...

Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

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Here's a summary of most of what has been found in the emails so far: https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/57vefh/podesta_... Some of the things found were: 1. The Goldman Sachs speeches, showing that Hillary has a "public and private position", is still against gay marriage, wants open borders, wants to enact gun bans, and wants to establish a hemispheric common market. 2. John Podesta (Hillary's campaign ch…

> 1. The Goldman Sachs speeches, showing that Hillary has a "public and private position", is still against gay marriage, wants open borders, wants to enact gun bans, and wants to establish a hemispheric common market. With the exception of a common market I must strongly disagree with your assessments. I'll also point out that everyone has public and private positions and everyone except the most socially inept trie…

RE: #4 that's not true, they were ordered to cough up all emails and they failed to do so, so they were subpoena'd in the middle of proceedings too[0]

[0] https://youtu.be/hlxQIAQ7Q7I?t=28

Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

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> But if you have the choice between that and Trump, I cannot imagine how you could choose the latter. Status quo vs. something different. The status quo is that Obama/Hillary have destabilised countless countries, and are sabre rattling against Russia, possibly leading to an eventual nuclear war. By contrast, Trump is promising less wars, less interventionism, and otherwise is a relative wildcard with a penchant tow…

Given his attitude, Trump seems way more likely to invade other countries and n general sable rattle. Also, I wouldn't call what Obama did sable rattling. Russia did invade several countries in the last years (Georgia, Ukraine, and maybe I'm missing one more?). If you don't have a good response for that, then how can you be trusted to defend your other allies (Poland, etc.)

The entire world knows that a Clinton presidency would degrade our already weak relationship with Russia. Russia has said this, pretty much every news source (partisan or not) has said this, and Clinton has openly attacked Russia multiple times.

Trump would improve relations with Russia.

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We're in the middle of some crazy propaganda war right now, and it's been this way for quite a while. It became completely transparent when the Podesta e-mails were released mere minutes after Trump's videos regarding possible sexual assault were released. Ever since the DNC leaks and the subsequent accusations against Russia, it became clear to me that, at some point, the attempts to tarnish Wikileaks's name was to…

To further what you're saying. Wikileaks announced for weeks when they were releasing the emails. It was a pre-planned event that the entire world was waiting for. The Trump tape, which had obviously been saved for a rainy day, was trotted out to distract from the pre-announced Wikileaks release. This level of premeditated collusion with the media is not even up for debate at this point, since the very emails they ar…

After reading this stuff I now doubt there has been a real election for decades in the US. You see what happens when a guy appears to have a real shot who isn't fully controlled by the elite.

I have no doubt that they will rig the election if the media doesn't get the job done. How else could they let Hillary run? They must be pretty confident that it doesn't matter that most people hate her.

Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

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We're in the middle of some crazy propaganda war right now, and it's been this way for quite a while. It became completely transparent when the Podesta e-mails were released mere minutes after Trump's videos regarding possible sexual assault were released. Ever since the DNC leaks and the subsequent accusations against Russia, it became clear to me that, at some point, the attempts to tarnish Wikileaks's name was to…

I've read many of the emails. There just isn't much to them. It's almost all boring day-to-day crap. Even the release of Clinton's speech transcripts is about as mild and inoffensive as you can get. The other thing is we have no idea if they are all authentic. It would be trivial to slip a few extra sentences in here or there. Everyone just seems to take it as given that they're legit but Assange didn't hack anyone t…

Seth Rich?

Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

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post #656

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You... you literally brought it up yourself. Why are you angry at me for responding to your own point?

Why do you assume I'm angry? I'm quite happy while questioning your agenda

My "agenda" was a direct response to your comment. You act like I'm trying to change the subject or something.

Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's a summary of most of what has been found in the emails so far: https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/57vefh/podesta_... Some of the things found were: 1. The Goldman Sachs speeches, showing that Hillary has a "public and private position", is still against gay marriage, wants open borders, wants to enact gun bans, and wants to establish a hemispheric common market. 2. John Podesta (Hillary's campaign ch…

> 1. The Goldman Sachs speeches, showing that Hillary has a "public and private position", is still against gay marriage, wants open borders, wants to enact gun bans, and wants to establish a hemispheric common market. With the exception of a common market I must strongly disagree with your assessments. I'll also point out that everyone has public and private positions and everyone except the most socially inept trie…

Also: 1. Podesta upset that San Bernardino was perpetrated by a Muslim rather than a gentile white male http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/301254-pode...

2. Current DNC chair (then CNN analyst) Donna Brazile giving Hillary Townhall questions early http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/10/roland-martin...

3. Hillary admitting that our greatest allies Qatar and Saudia Barbaria fund ISIS https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3774

4. Bill Clinton getting a $1m birthday gift from Qatar for access http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/13/wikileaks-em...

Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

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I'd like to suggest a more significant conclusion. The trust I have had in the Wall Street Journal, New York Times, ABC/NBC/CBS, Democratic and Republican parties has been irreparably damaged. I've been a cord cutter for over a decade. This year I graduated to pitying people who repeat the latest front page story as naive fear-junkies. Everything is suspect. Why burn processing cycles reading stories that on their fa…

It saddens me greatly to hear this sentiment reflected here at Hacker News. To reject the entire institution of journalism is a radical position, and not justified by fact. Manipulating the timing of release is a common tool used by literally every public figure and institution. To characterize timing manipulation as collusion and to imply that it means no-one can be trusted is a critical mistake. Given my position,…

>> Any institution that regularly confuses editorializing for journalism losses its credibility. By these rules there are many institutions that are not trustworthy (e.g. Fox) but there are many institutions that are (the NYT).

My counterpoint: http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/09/29/technology/yahoo-data-b...

Anonymous quotes. Unsourced claims. Revisionist history designed to tear down one individual (Mayer) to protect another (Stamos)

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