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The 2016 Election

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Re: The 2016 Election

#311
Is really Thiel just a mere supporter as Sam put it or more of a partner in crime?

He's clearly investing in his vision for your country to turn them into reality, and therefore should be dealt with accordingly and not just dismissed as just some politically uninformed and misguided guy on the street who happened to espouse dangerous and vile political views but he'll grow out of it in due time.

Re: The 2016 Election

#312
post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is an incredibly concern trolling argument. There is no right or wrong way to vote for third parties.

I initially was upset at mr Nader, when Gore lost. I got over it and, in retrospect, the blame is fully on Gore. He simply didn't convince enough people with his message. It wasn't Nader's (or anyone else's) responsibility to make Gore more electable, it was Gore's responsibility.

Extremely well said. The point of multiple candidates is to offer voters a choice, and it's the job of a candidate to convince voters to choose him or her. Just because a candidate won a primary in a major party does not entitle the candidate to votes from people who find another candidate more appealing. If you want to vote strategically, fine. You have that option. If you like one candidate best, but the major party candidate is close enough that you're willing to vote for them in the interest of protecting against another outcome, that's also fine. But to the people arguing that voting third party is throwing your vote away: this is the argument that is used to convince otherwise reasonable Republicans to vote for Trump.

Re: The 2016 Election

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post #274

I'm not from the US but I'd vote for Trump. To me Hillary represent the imperial US, the economic Hitmen US, the could war US, the NSA US, the make sure Russia-Europe relations are poor US. She represents the elites, the Rothschilds, the banks, the family of secrets, the kill-list, the endless meddling in countries that have a lot of natural resources "for the common good". She represents Guantanamo bay, more drones…

Here's why I disagree (also not from the US). If you look at actual history , World War 2 happened exactly because some countries were unwilling to defend other countries, and let the Germans effectively try to conquer Europe. From a game theory perspective, you really, really want to pre-commit to not letting other countries do things that will cause war. So you pre-commit to protecting allies and other countries ag…

You are assuming US and EU actions in Ukraine are anti-war? The boycotts (that kill European companies as well) are not anti-war, the anti-Russia attitude that almost everyone seems to have here, under the influence of our media, is not anti-war? John Kerry loud-mouthing his opinion in the Ukraine is not anti-war? The way MH-17 was blamed on Russia far before there was even talk about an investigation, is not anti-war? The fact that how Russia sees the Syria conflict [0] is never shown in our western press is not anti-war? The Russians love their children too.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbZDyr2LkdI

Re: The 2016 Election

#314
post #10

Why would Sam not go for a third party who was less problematic? There are third party candidates available. Is it because they are unlikely to be elected? If so, this thinking keeps on trapping us into voting for the least bad of the bad.

I'm assuming because he has taken a good look at the 3rd party candidates of this year ?

Case in point : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3O01EfM5fU

Re: The 2016 Election

#315
post #274

I'm not from the US but I'd vote for Trump. To me Hillary represent the imperial US, the economic Hitmen US, the could war US, the NSA US, the make sure Russia-Europe relations are poor US. She represents the elites, the Rothschilds, the banks, the family of secrets, the kill-list, the endless meddling in countries that have a lot of natural resources "for the common good". She represents Guantanamo bay, more drones…

Here's why I disagree (also not from the US). If you look at actual history , World War 2 happened exactly because some countries were unwilling to defend other countries, and let the Germans effectively try to conquer Europe. From a game theory perspective, you really, really want to pre-commit to not letting other countries do things that will cause war. So you pre-commit to protecting allies and other countries ag…

> that's what usually happens when you change things.

with that logic we should throw out our two-party system entirely and turn into a constitutional monarchy of bush and/or clintons...

Re: The 2016 Election

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post #218

As an outsider, I am having troubles understanding why the Democrats put against Trump the only candidate who had a poor enough track record to make this election "interesting". Why didn't they choose Sanders who is not as vulnerable as Hilton? By they I mean the Democrat elite.

Because this has nothing to do with democracy. Who needs votes when MSM, FB, Google, and Twitter are all pushing your agenda?

Re: The 2016 Election

#317
post #6

> We should all feel a duty to try to understand the roughly > half of the country that thinks we are severely misguided. > I don’t understand how 43% of the country supports Trump. > But I’d like to find out, because we have to include > everyone in our path forward. If our best ideas are to > stop talking to or fire anyone who disagrees with us, > we’ll be facing this whole situation again in 2020. > > That kind of…

> That's not how things are done in this country. Tocqueville, almost 200 years ago, begs to differ: "I know of no country in which there is so little independence of mind and real freedom of discussion as in America.... in America the majority raises formidable barriers around the liberty of opinion; within these barriers an author may write what he pleases; but woe to him if he goes beyond them." [1] What's changed…

I get why you're using examples from centuries ago, but I don't think those alone can prove your point. Tocqueville might have been right 200 years ago, I have no idea, but I strongly disagree that his statement is true today.

Re: The 2016 Election

#318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In this case, the minority are rich and powerful people.

Not really, the minority is anybody who's ever had the wrong opinion on anything that sufficiently socially powerful people think is worth burning the heretics over. If you really need to get at somebody, it may in fact be sufficient to just make something up: https://twitter.com/nodevember/status/771520648191483904

> Not really, the minority is anybody who's ever had the wrong opinion on anything that sufficiently socially powerful people think is worth burning the heretics over.

How is being uninvited as a keynote speaker being burned at the stake? Or even remotely comparable to the policies that Donald Trump has advocated (killing the families of suspected terrorists, jailing political opponents) or bragging about sexual assault, which is illegal?

I can see why folks had an issue with Eich being forced out of Mozilla, but the world isn't black and white when it comes to "free speech". Allowing free speech doesn't mean that you should be shielded from the consequences from the world at large.

Re: The 2016 Election

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post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He didn't say women shouldn't be able to vote. He said that giving women the right to vote has eroded some of his libertarian ideals, because women tend to oppose those ideals. Which is a true statement.

What logic is this? Pretty it up in some rhetoric, but not matter how you slice it, at the end of the day he _IS_ saying that he regrets the 17th amendment.

No he's not. He's saying the 17th amendment had bad consequences for his beliefs. You can frame that in at least three ways:

1. He regrets the 17th amendment.

2. He thinks libertarians haven't marketed themselves well towards women, and they should work on that.

3. A simple observation of fact and narrative of history, mentioned casually in a long essay otherwise unrelated to women's suffrage.

My personal interpretation is #2. But we can't know unless he clarifies it, and until then it would be wise to reserve judgment.

Re: The 2016 Election

#320

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sam tweeted that this was his favorite article about the election: http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-on... It really does a great job of helping explain Trump supporters.

I'm kind of surprised 'Hillbilly Elegy' hasn't come up yet. [1] http://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/the-lives-... [2] http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/09/the-orig...

I feel like this deserves a link to the rebuttal. I'm not embracing it (or Jacobin), but it's a plausible indictment of Elegy. On a related note, it should be noted that the average Trump supporter earns more than the average white American. There's a more subtle grouping here than "rural poor".

[1] https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/10/hillbilly-elegy-review-jd...

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