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Google May Be Stealing Mobile Traffic

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Re: Google May Be Stealing Mobile Traffic

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Post by gergles »

ryanobjc wrote: post #210
spiderfarmer wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's stopping Google from promoting fast webpages without AMP? I have spent weeks improving load times for my websites, with A A A A A ratings op webpagetest.org as a result. AMP is just a fraction faster, why should I have to create a seperate AMP version? Also, my websites are essentially all dynamic content. People come for the comments, like on HN. I gues I'll have to use some cache-busting javascript if Google…

The AMP Cache is an option that you can opt in to. The wordpress plugin by default opts in. The author said as much. The problem isn't that Google "steals" traffic in the sense it's going against the wishes of the site publisher, but that the author didn't know what he was buying in to and thus was surprised. There is the other thing which is the AMP Cache is probably more local and faster than your site. Small sites…

No, it is not optional. If you publish a valid AMP page and Google finds out about it, it will be cached.

https://developers.google.com/amp/cache/faq

> Can I stop content from being cached?

> No. By using the AMP format, content producers are making the content in AMP files available to be cached by third parties. For example, Google products use the Google AMP Cache to serve AMP content as fast as possible.

Re: Google May Be Stealing Mobile Traffic

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Post by snowwrestler »

josho wrote: post #196
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think if you're running a business there's any way to avoid optimizing for Google in the short-term. You simply have to do it, if you want to be seen. Not optimizing for Google won't hurt Google, it'll just hurt you. Because Google can always just promote someone else. But you should also support antitrust legislation and judicial action against Google. Don't vote for candidates next month receiving large don…

As an outsider observing the US election the statement of yours "Don't vote for candidates next month receiving large donations from Google" strikes me as ridiculous. Don't get me wrong, your logic is correct. But, in order for politicians to play the game they need large donors like Google. So, if they don't take money from Google they'll just take it from someone else with an agenda. The real solution is to vote fo…

I just want to point out that it is illegal in the U.S. for federal candidates to take money from organizations, such as corporations like Alphabet, Inc.

When you see campaign contributions listed "from" Alphabet, that money is actually all coming from individuals.

Employees of Alphabet who give more than $200 are required to list their employer on the donation form. The campaigns then submit that data to the FEC, which makes it public, which is where OpenSecrets gets it. So even if the Google janitor gives $250 to Clinton, OpenSecrets will list that as coming "from" Alphabet.

OpenSecrets also shows money that went to candidates from political action committees (PACs). But any money that passes through a PAC to a candidate must originate from an individual as well. The corporation can only pay administrative fees, like providing an office and Internet connection.

Re: Google May Be Stealing Mobile Traffic

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Post by disruptalot »

OJFord wrote: post #181
interpol_p wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with your expectation of clicking the 'X' going back to the results. But it's a bit strange, why have the 'X' there at all when the browser back button will do exactly the same thing more naturally?

I imagine it's to enhance the feeling that the user just quickly popped something open over their search results - designing it to make it 'feel' like a different; faster experience.

Google wants you back in their serps as fast as possible and for you to notice that it's an option.

Re: Google May Be Stealing Mobile Traffic

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Post by disruptalot »

MyMan1 wrote: post #221

Seeing analytics built into AMP makes me laugh. Does that not go against producing the most enjoyable user experience possible?

No because you can have both at the same time? When was the last time you noticed there was analytics happening on the page you were on?

Re: Google May Be Stealing Mobile Traffic

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Post by mSparks »

Zyst wrote: post #207
mSparks wrote: post #145

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While i'll take the compliment that you think i am that unique. I'm pretty sure I'm not.

I'm pretty sure no one is implying any compliments.

Yeah, definately picking up a "omg he doesnt google ten thousand times a day" vibe.

Kinda guessed as much from the start (hence the - probably to forward thinking conclusion).

But probably worth pointing out. The reason i noticed I hardly used google any more last week, was because I did a search and realised it had been so long since i saw google search results on a desktop i almost forgot what they look like.

And yeah, i know that is because i spend most of my time now on places like hn, closed networks with all the technical manuals you could ever need on hand, specialist forums or tor sites that google doesn't even know exist let alone provide search functionality.

But i am definately not alone. And it definately looks like the future (or at least more like what the internet used to be). Infinately more valuable information. No spam bots or corporate advertising. Just experienced techies sharing knowledge, skills and resources.

But all that is irrelevent to the point that unlike historically techies arent earning google revenue and non techies really dont use google that much.

We went through a time when adsense completely dominated the ad market.

Yet there is another google "dependancy" I havent seen for a very long time.

And that i share with pretty much everyone techy enough to install an ad blocker.

Re: Google May Be Stealing Mobile Traffic

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Post by mSparks »

michaelmior wrote: post #128
mSparks wrote: post #68

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I'm drawing a distinction between use/rely and how it was previously. Does anyone still have google search as their home page? And if they do, do they use it? When was the last time you got past the first page of results? (and btw, its so rare that that people do now did you know if you get past the first couple of pages it checks whether you are a bot). Im contrasting how it used to be (reading google results making…

> did you know if you get past the first couple of pages it checks whether you are a bot I still go past the first couple pages somewhat regularly and I don't get any sort of CAPTCHA.

Could be its changed since the last time i used it.

for example. just did a search for "trump" on mobile and google search stops offering next after 13 pages.

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Post by sctb »

mehmetkose wrote: post #41

My website is already fast on mobile. Because I am using gulp, and compressing the UI. I have added AMP because of seo. But wtf is this? FUK yourself google! I'll delete amp on my site.

We've banned this account for repeatedly violating the guidelines. Profanity is not against the rules, but we do ask that commenters post civilly and substantively and this account has done neither.

Re: Google May Be Stealing Mobile Traffic

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

snowwrestler wrote: post #232
josho wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an outsider observing the US election the statement of yours "Don't vote for candidates next month receiving large donations from Google" strikes me as ridiculous. Don't get me wrong, your logic is correct. But, in order for politicians to play the game they need large donors like Google. So, if they don't take money from Google they'll just take it from someone else with an agenda. The real solution is to vote fo…

I just want to point out that it is illegal in the U.S. for federal candidates to take money from organizations, such as corporations like Alphabet, Inc. When you see campaign contributions listed "from" Alphabet, that money is actually all coming from individuals. Employees of Alphabet who give more than $200 are required to list their employer on the donation form. The campaigns then submit that data to the FEC, wh…

The reason that donors are required to list their employer on the donation form is because of how much influence that employer has on the employee/donor.

You may note that I said to avoid voting for candidates with a LARGE amount of contribution from Google. Because this isn't about $250, but, for instance, about the $58,000 Googlers have given to Ro Khanna, which pretty much ensures Ro would never vote against Google's interests if elected.

Re: Google May Be Stealing Mobile Traffic

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Post by mtarnovan »

frandroid wrote: post #118

It's been known all along that Google AMP serves pages from its CDN and that Google adds a bar at the top. The author would have know as well if they had paid attention from the get go instead of bragging about their 5 minute "install". Nothing to see here, move along.

Yes there is something to see here: Google doesn't provide a way to reach the original site from the version they serve from their CDN.

Re: Google May Be Stealing Mobile Traffic

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Post by frandroid »

mtarnovan wrote: post #239
frandroid wrote: post #118

It's been known all along that Google AMP serves pages from its CDN and that Google adds a bar at the top. The author would have know as well if they had paid attention from the get go instead of bragging about their 5 minute "install". Nothing to see here, move along.

Yes there is something to see here: Google doesn't provide a way to reach the original site from the version they serve from their CDN.

You can click on any of the links in the article. It will get out of the Google AMP session, and open them in a browser. You can have your own site header and whatever series of links pointing inside your site, like you would on your regular non-amp landing page. This author is whining about a non-problem.
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