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Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

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Post by FireBeyond » Mon, Oct 17, 2016, 6:06 PM UTC

monocasa wrote: post #389

imartin2k wrote: post #324

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These cases are not related to each other, so skip the Whataboutism. While this Assange case for sure is controversial, Sweden has done more for the rights of women than most other countries. And that is a good thing, not a bad thing. Whether Assange is guilty of anything or not, I have no idea. But you don't have that, either.

Whataboutism is papering over your own deficiencies by claiming that others are the same or worse. It's not whataboutism to point out logical inconsistencies in the same legal system.

Whatever the outcome of the other case, it was at least fully investigated and allowed to go through the justice system.

Something Assange has attempted to thwart at every step, blaming everybody but himself for his predicament.

Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

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Post by FireBeyond » Mon, Oct 17, 2016, 6:07 PM UTC

monocasa wrote: post #390

sleepybrett wrote: post #335

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He isn't jailed in the embassy, he's escaping jail by hiding in the embassy.

He's unable to leave without facing extremely stiff legal consequences. He is, at least, metaphorically jailed in the embassy.

Consequences of his own making. Don't make it out to be something forced upon him against his will.

Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

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Post by danielnaab » Mon, Oct 17, 2016, 6:07 PM UTC

AvenueIngres wrote: post #363

anthony_romeo wrote: post #237

We're in the middle of some crazy propaganda war right now, and it's been this way for quite a while. It became completely transparent when the Podesta e-mails were released mere minutes after Trump's videos regarding possible sexual assault were released. Ever since the DNC leaks and the subsequent accusations against Russia, it became clear to me that, at some point, the attempts to tarnish Wikileaks's name was to…

Directly related to what you are saying, DNC consultants and execs caught on tape explaining how they plant fake Trump supporters at rallies to disrupt them or get negative media coverage. It is pretty interesting from: 1/ a partisan PoV, 2/ a methodological PoV; you are right there is a war for information that is being waged. [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuJGHuIkzY

The first question to ask with any James O'Keefe video is "where is the raw video." He has a long and sordid history of fabricating these kinds of storylines.

Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

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Post by hindsightbias » Mon, Oct 17, 2016, 6:08 PM UTC

tonecluster wrote: post #498

gragas wrote: post #480

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- Hillary and her team deliberately trying to trick the FBI by giving them a "slightly broader" set of emails [1]: "What that means specifically is that they are going to turn over all the Blumenthal emails to the Committee that they hav along with some other HRC emails that include a slightly broader set of search terms than the original batch. That of course includes the emails Sid turned over that HRC didn't, whic…

Can anyone provide any evidence of confirmed illegal activity from a source other than wikileaks? E.g., results of any official investigation, etc.

Since zero of those things are illegal or extremely so, it really wouldn't matter.

Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

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Post by akerro » Mon, Oct 17, 2016, 6:08 PM UTC

tonecluster wrote: post #498

gragas wrote: post #480

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- Hillary and her team deliberately trying to trick the FBI by giving them a "slightly broader" set of emails [1]: "What that means specifically is that they are going to turn over all the Blumenthal emails to the Committee that they hav along with some other HRC emails that include a slightly broader set of search terms than the original batch. That of course includes the emails Sid turned over that HRC didn't, whic…

Can anyone provide any evidence of confirmed illegal activity from a source other than wikileaks? E.g., results of any official investigation, etc.

>E.g., results of any official investigation, etc.

Hahahahaha

Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

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Post by Kequc » Mon, Oct 17, 2016, 6:09 PM UTC

haberman wrote: post #342

I'm still processing this information, and holding out to form a full opinion until more details become available/confirmed. In the meantime, I'm curious, for people who are angry about this: suppose it is actually true that Assange is working together with Russian hackers in an attempt to influence a US election. Do you believe there is any point at which governments should intervene to protect national sovereignty…

There is no evidence Russia is involved. Given what was apparently Podesta's password coupled with a lack of two factor authentication, these leaks wouldn't have exactly required a team of elite hackers. But even if it was Russia. No, you cannot justify a hot war as a result of cyber crime. That is absolutely insane and Clinton is flat out dangerously wrong on that point.

The releases expose corruption, it isn't necessarily partisan. Wikileaks used to release documents about George W Bush, and Putin as well.

Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

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Post by puppetmaster3 » Mon, Oct 17, 2016, 6:09 PM UTC

http://imgur.com/d1XcYp6

Twitter has deleted whatever periscopes that were near or around the Ecuadorian embassy.

Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

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Post by ihsw » Mon, Oct 17, 2016, 6:10 PM UTC

the_duke wrote: post #483

gragas wrote: post #383

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If hundreds of pieces of direct evidence don't suffice, then I'm not sure what does. The Clinton Foundation has done countless extremely illegal and unethical things. Between CTR, the Bernie fiasco, the fake Craigslist ads, the "public and private" positions, I'm not sure how you can say that HRC isn't trying to create an alternate reality.

Every politician has public and private positions. That's just how politics works. The view the plebs demands often don't align with either the politicians vision for the country, what's possible near or long term, or the people you are indebted to (donors, etc). In many cases it's acceptable and even advisable, in my opinion. A head of state has insight into facts and knowledge of others about realities and facts th…

There is a difference between what you're describing is different from what is occurring -- she campaigns on LGTB rights and freedoms but her private positions is nothing short of abject disdain for LGTBs.

She tries to run on anti-establishment but there is no-one that is more establishment than her.

She tries to run on fighting for women's rights but she is an apologist for her husband's sordid history of sexual abuse towards other women, and not only that but she will readily accept funds from people that are the most misogynistic on the face of the Earth (the Gulf monarchies).

The difference is her stance is opposite from what she campaigns on -- there is a word for this: hypocrite. She clearly has no moral center.

Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

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Post by Symbiote » Mon, Oct 17, 2016, 6:10 PM UTC

ghostly_s wrote: post #499

tzs wrote: post #344

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> They can't possibly isolate it to just Assange, so it must be the whole embassy. Maybe not specifically to Assange, but they might be able to get close to that. An embassy probably wants to have separate, isolated networks to keep various classes of users apart. The top diplomats and officials who deal with the most important, most secret stuff on one. Another for lower level officials who deal with secret, but mor…

I believe he's staying in some sort of separate guest house on the embassy grounds...of course forcing him to walk across the lawn to the main building hardly seems like a worthwhile op.

The Ecuadorian embassy in London is a floor of an office building, nothing more.

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Post by taco_emoji » Mon, Oct 17, 2016, 6:10 PM UTC

gragas wrote: post #480

jsutton wrote: post #401

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What are the countless and extremely illegal and unethical things?

- Hillary and her team deliberately trying to trick the FBI by giving them a "slightly broader" set of emails [1]: "What that means specifically is that they are going to turn over all the Blumenthal emails to the Committee that they hav along with some other HRC emails that include a slightly broader set of search terms than the original batch. That of course includes the emails Sid turned over that HRC didn't, whic…

You said "The Clinton Foundation has done countless extremely illegal and unethical things", and yet only one of those items has anything to do with that organization, and "charitable organization accepts charitable donation from Qatar" is perhaps shady at best, barring any important context.