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Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

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Post by throwaway98237 »

crdoconnor wrote: post #305
throwaway98237 wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is exactly why I deplore the term "terrorist". The U.S. throws the term terrorist around with reckless abandon while proudly parading its strategy of "Shock and Awe"[1] and weapons like the "Daisy Cutter"[2] around on CNN. How are those two examples anything other than naked attempts to instill terror in it's enemies??? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_and_awe [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BLU-82

Edward Peck says it best: In 1985, when I was the Deputy Director of the Reagan White House Task Force on Terrorism, [my working group was asked] to come up with a definition of terrorism that could be used throughout the government. We produced about six, and each and every case, they were rejected, because careful reading would indicate that our own country had been involved in some of those activities. https://en.…

Wow, I never knew that! That is a gem of a piece of history.

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Post by abjorn »

Yetanfou wrote: post #254

Sweden has hunted Assange for 6 years for the 'crime' of being promiscuous with the wrong women. Oh, and he did not use a condom, but the 'rape victim' still did not mind having dinner with him afterwards. Only later when those two women who thought they'd scored a celebrity found out he'd been rather generous in dealing out his celebrity amongst those who offered him hospitality did they come with a claim of rape. S…

Not that I believe the rape allegations against him are necessarily true, but just because she consented before doesn't mean she consented then. That's a dangerous assumption to make in any situation.

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Post by sleepybrett »

jacquesm wrote: post #251
drzaiusapelord wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Yeah, because killing Assange would re-hide the documents. Did this stop Putin from murdering x amount of journalists? I suspect chilling speech is the ultimate goal and some petty revenge as well. Also maintaining the perception of being a "strong man" ruler who does whatever he wants. >There's really only one group large enough to do what they want I think you're vastly underestimate the intelligence agencies of m…

It's a pretty impressive feat if they manage to disconnect Assange while leaving the embassy connected. Messing with the communications capabilities of an embassy is not something done without a whole lot of possible fall-out.

If it were my embassy I wouldn't let assange on my network. I imagine he has his own private internet connection.

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Post by imartin2k »

Yetanfou wrote: post #254

Sweden has hunted Assange for 6 years for the 'crime' of being promiscuous with the wrong women. Oh, and he did not use a condom, but the 'rape victim' still did not mind having dinner with him afterwards. Only later when those two women who thought they'd scored a celebrity found out he'd been rather generous in dealing out his celebrity amongst those who offered him hospitality did they come with a claim of rape. S…

These cases are not related to each other, so skip the Whataboutism.

While this Assange case for sure is controversial, Sweden has done more for the rights of women than most other countries. And that is a good thing, not a bad thing.

Whether Assange is guilty of anything or not, I have no idea. But you don't have that, either.

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Post by SamBam »

gaur wrote: post #240
willvarfar wrote: post #177

It suits Assange's narrative to say its a "state actor", just as it suited Yahoo's board to claim "state actors" as they disclosed their latest breach. Assange's ego really dilutes the wikileaks original goals and its no surprise that the actual doers in the organisation upped and left in 2010.

I had a neutral opinion of Assange until he posted (and then deleted) a tweet with echo parentheses. That made it pretty obvious he's not really in it for any noble purpose.

Wow. Screenshot?

(For those not aware, (((echo parenthesis))) are an anti-semitic symbol used by white supremacists to highlight people who are Jewish.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_parentheses

Edit: Wow, here it is: http://www.dailydot.com/layer8/wikileaks-echoes-tweet-anti-s...

    Most of our critics have 3 (((brackets around their names))) & have black-rim glasses.
i.e. most of our critics are Jewish. Presumably part of some kind of cabal....

Here's a white-supremacist organization praising Assange for the tweet: http://www.dailystormer.com/julian-assange-and-general-flynn...

    Anti-Semitism is rising. Everywhere. We are going high-profile.  
    Wikileaks’ Julian Assange and General Flynn this week have tweeted openly anti-Semitic tweets.

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Post by jsprogrammer »

swang wrote: post #287
teraflop wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see a lot of people repeating the claim that Clinton said that, but I've yet to see an actual source.

yes please link me to an article that actually says that :shows truepundit article: seems flimsy, doesn't really contain any actual sources other than "sources said". can you cite any other articles that don't use truepundit as the source? :crickets: yes. one article on an arguably either satire or hard-right website is the source of all the "drone him" talk

Here's Hillary's response to a question about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSTht4G4yJs

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Post by throwaway98237 »

berntb wrote: post #247
throwaway98237 wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is exactly why I deplore the term "terrorist". The U.S. throws the term terrorist around with reckless abandon while proudly parading its strategy of "Shock and Awe"[1] and weapons like the "Daisy Cutter"[2] around on CNN. How are those two examples anything other than naked attempts to instill terror in it's enemies??? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_and_awe [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BLU-82

Because the laws of war is different when you have civilians as your main targets? Here is my standard reference about the subject. Note that it is critical of the US -- and that ROE is still followed quite closely. Compare that to [terrorists and non democracies]. http://www.lrb.co.uk/v25/n04/michael-byers/the-laws-of-war-u... (Are you really surprised by the content of this answer..?) ---- Edit: My answer to throwa…

I deleted my comment because I didn't see a reply from you and wasn't certain my comment was correctly speaking to your points because I just don't get your comment. Since I wasn't certain my response was speaking to the points, I removed it so as not to muddy the conversation.

Don't appreciate your aggressive tone.

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Post by alistproducer2 »

anthony_romeo wrote: post #237

We're in the middle of some crazy propaganda war right now, and it's been this way for quite a while. It became completely transparent when the Podesta e-mails were released mere minutes after Trump's videos regarding possible sexual assault were released. Ever since the DNC leaks and the subsequent accusations against Russia, it became clear to me that, at some point, the attempts to tarnish Wikileaks's name was to…

>We're in the middle of some crazy propaganda war right now

Agreed. It's like some people somewhere woke up and realized hiring some script kiddies to hack old people that use the same password for all their accounts is a lot cheaper and easier than old-fashioned espionage.

The frenzied pace at which all of this is happening reminds me a child with a new toy.

>gaslighting from both sides

I disagree that Clinton is trying to distort reality. She is more old school - she just stright up lies from time to time. Trump, on the other hand, is quite literally trying to create an alternate reality.

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Post by mikeash »

grandalf wrote: post #310
mikeash wrote: post #213

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They can't possibly isolate it to just Assange, so it must be the whole embassy. My money is on this being an errant backhoe or similar, and Assange is just turning it into a big deal because he can.

> My money is on this being an errant backhoe or similar, and Assange is just turning it into a big deal because he can. With all the propaganda and accusations going around, please substantiate this.

I have no direct evidence. My bet is based on the simple fact that 1) the claim of access being cut off by a state actor is pretty huge and completely unsubstantiated, and 2) random internet outages are not uncommon.
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