Video games could be playing a part: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/09/23/why-a...
Seems like a symptom, not a cause. Escapism for the psychologically inflicted and chronically unemployed.
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#22> 31 percent of those receiving benefits have mental disorders This has got to be a major contributing factor. Add in those with undiagnosed psych problems, and I'm sure it would stand out even more. [Of course, maybe they would be balanced out by the 'fakers'-- but that is almost equally alarming, and itself suggests all kinds of deeper problems.] Both reducing the stigma of and increasing access to mental health ca…
If that many people are supposed to have mental 'disorders', perhaps the problem is really those wielding the alleged definition.
The only reason not to downvote, is to ensure that the rebuttal to this common attitude remains highly visible.
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#23Comparing those numbers with Europe, whose safety net doesn't usually require people to pretend being disabled, would have been enlightening. A missed opportunity.
Depending on whether or not you count the UK as "Europe", I believe the same thing has happened here for much the same reasons. http://www.jrf.org.uk/sites/default/files/jrf/migrated/files... "What seems to have happened is that the employment threshold has gradually moved down the severity scale, so that men and women with middle-severity impairments who would have been employed in the 1970s are now out of work and…
This is unfortunate not only for reasons of productivity losses, but also because the sense of belonging and agency that goes with employment can be a great boon to one's mental health and mental disorders are cited as being present in a large proportion of those who have dropped out of the labor force.
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#24> 31 percent of those receiving benefits have mental disorders This has got to be a major contributing factor. Add in those with undiagnosed psych problems, and I'm sure it would stand out even more. [Of course, maybe they would be balanced out by the 'fakers'-- but that is almost equally alarming, and itself suggests all kinds of deeper problems.] Both reducing the stigma of and increasing access to mental health ca…
If that many people are supposed to have mental 'disorders', perhaps the problem is really those wielding the alleged definition.
The general population has an incidence rate of around 1:5 every year. Lifetime incidence is 1:2. That its between the two in the chronic unemployed isn't at all surprising.
The group is probably overrepresented in suicide stats too.
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#25Comparing those numbers with Europe, whose safety net doesn't usually require people to pretend being disabled, would have been enlightening. A missed opportunity.
There is some global data available on the so called NEET phenomenon.
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SL.UEM.NEET.ZS
http://oecdinsights.org/2016/10/13/neets-policies-to-support...
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#26> 31 percent of those receiving benefits have mental disorders This has got to be a major contributing factor. Add in those with undiagnosed psych problems, and I'm sure it would stand out even more. [Of course, maybe they would be balanced out by the 'fakers'-- but that is almost equally alarming, and itself suggests all kinds of deeper problems.] Both reducing the stigma of and increasing access to mental health ca…
If that many people are supposed to have mental 'disorders', perhaps the problem is really those wielding the alleged definition.
well i can see those replying to you completely ignore the amount of money involved in diagnosing such issues. it is similar to handing out handicap placards, there is so much money to be had from various programs that its profitable for both hospital and even the patients.
worse the system discourages not giving patients the designation they want because doctors are routinely subject to surveys that must come back positive, by the very patients they serve
this is not to say there are not people with mental disorders but the vagueness of some disorders leads to a lot of abuse and in some cases its because people figure they don't have to deal with it, life in general, its not their fault, its far easier to take that declaration of disorder and put the blame there and not change lifestyle, job, or habits.
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#27I'm not even american, I'm french, 31, I have skills in programming (C++, php, python, and some math), did not obtain my degree, and I have never worked more than a month during all my life. I currently have the disability status, and I will soon train to be an army reservist. I regularly see a psychiatrist for therapy and took anti depressant for 4 years. The inactivity and the feeling of exclusion is soul-killing (Of course there are people in worse situations than mine).
Every month I check a box online to certify I am actively looking for a job, but honestly I am not. How on earth do you want people like me begging for a job? It makes no sense. The worst thing is how society treats you and blames you for "laziness", yet those people are increasing but it seems nobody wants to hear it.
In some meeting with other people with disabilities, I suggested that there should be companies whose job is to match candidates with companies directly, so that candidates do not have to move sky and earth to find a job. I think it's not even a problem of investment and risk taking, it's just that there is nothing to build or to make, except software and robots, which require education, which is always money-constrained, unsurprisingly. Either that or people don't want to work anymore, and it's fine, because work is less and less necessary.
What kills me even more is the whole "get motivated" movement. I know I'm ranting but to me, society looks like a giant treading mill. Happiness and the slow, intelligent life have been forgotten in favor of a society of endless work and jobs. Contributing to the labor force has become a religion. The simple idea of idleness and staying at home to paint or draw seems to drive people crazy. It should not.
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hey I'm not claiming nobody's sick, just that if that many people have problems functioning in society then society's probably a big part of the problem.
In fact, you claimed that many of the people diagnosed are actually fine. Please revise or walk back your statement if you want, but don't deny the plain meaning of your words.
I implied that perhaps their particular mental configurations, different as they are, should perhaps not be considered abnormal and in fact this is a false stigma of society. I did not imply any value judgement about their mental configurations.
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#29Not pointed out in the article, but perhaps in the study(?) - the United States has been engaged in an active war for the past 15 years that likely contributes to an increased number of those taking painkillers for injuries or having some sort of psychological disorder. In my mind I liken it to shellshock and after-effects felt in societies post WWI / WWII. I don't have specifics on the number of wounded / in treatment but it is likely not an insignificant contributor to such an increase.
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#30It probably doesn't help that some companies, such as Amazon, like to treat their unskilled labourers as basically disposable. It's a lot more profitable to set performance requirements that are impossible to meet without seriously injuring yourself, then replace all the temp workers regularly with fresh meat, than to have decent working conditions.