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Millions of Men Are Missing from the Job Market

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Re: Millions of Men Are Missing from the Job Market

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Comparing those numbers with Europe, whose safety net doesn't usually require people to pretend being disabled, would have been enlightening. A missed opportunity.

you are describing small part of europe, that's getting even smaller. just give immigration a bit of time

Re: Millions of Men Are Missing from the Job Market

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> 31 percent of those receiving benefits have mental disorders

This has got to be a major contributing factor. Add in those with undiagnosed psych problems, and I'm sure it would stand out even more. [Of course, maybe they would be balanced out by the 'fakers'-- but that is almost equally alarming, and itself suggests all kinds of deeper problems.]

Both reducing the stigma of and increasing access to mental health care are hugely important right now. Most people with such issues are perfectly capable of being productive employees-- but not if they are marginalized through terrible hiring processes, workplace 'social politics' and inflexible, unsympathetic (or simply incompetent) management. A robust jobs program could certainly help.

Re: Millions of Men Are Missing from the Job Market

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Comparing those numbers with Europe, whose safety net doesn't usually require people to pretend being disabled, would have been enlightening. A missed opportunity.

you are describing small part of europe, that's getting even smaller. just give immigration a bit of time

> you are describing small part of europe, that's getting even smaller.

How small?

> just give immigration a bit of time

Do you have a time frame? How will it effect?

Re: Millions of Men Are Missing from the Job Market

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> 31 percent of those receiving benefits have mental disorders This has got to be a major contributing factor. Add in those with undiagnosed psych problems, and I'm sure it would stand out even more. [Of course, maybe they would be balanced out by the 'fakers'-- but that is almost equally alarming, and itself suggests all kinds of deeper problems.] Both reducing the stigma of and increasing access to mental health ca…

If that many people are supposed to have mental 'disorders', perhaps the problem is really those wielding the alleged definition.

Re: Millions of Men Are Missing from the Job Market

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> 31 percent of those receiving benefits have mental disorders This has got to be a major contributing factor. Add in those with undiagnosed psych problems, and I'm sure it would stand out even more. [Of course, maybe they would be balanced out by the 'fakers'-- but that is almost equally alarming, and itself suggests all kinds of deeper problems.] Both reducing the stigma of and increasing access to mental health ca…

Indeed. I know so many people (from support groups) who say they are afraid of mentioning their mental condition to their employer for fear of effects of the social stigma from their superiors and the impact on their career.

Re: Millions of Men Are Missing from the Job Market

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Comparing those numbers with Europe, whose safety net doesn't usually require people to pretend being disabled, would have been enlightening. A missed opportunity.

Depending on whether or not you count the UK as "Europe", I believe the same thing has happened here for much the same reasons.

http://www.jrf.org.uk/sites/default/files/jrf/migrated/files...

"What seems to have happened is that the employment threshold has gradually moved down the severity scale, so that men and women with middle-severity impairments who would have been employed in the 1970s are now out of work and receiving incapacity benefits"

Re: Millions of Men Are Missing from the Job Market

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> 31 percent of those receiving benefits have mental disorders This has got to be a major contributing factor. Add in those with undiagnosed psych problems, and I'm sure it would stand out even more. [Of course, maybe they would be balanced out by the 'fakers'-- but that is almost equally alarming, and itself suggests all kinds of deeper problems.] Both reducing the stigma of and increasing access to mental health ca…

If that many people are supposed to have mental 'disorders', perhaps the problem is really those wielding the alleged definition.

Not really, a diagnosis of a mental disorder isn't an attempt to slur a person, it's recognition that they have behavior patterns that inhibit their ability to engage with society. That's something that can be assessed pretty objectively.

Re: Millions of Men Are Missing from the Job Market

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> 31 percent of those receiving benefits have mental disorders This has got to be a major contributing factor. Add in those with undiagnosed psych problems, and I'm sure it would stand out even more. [Of course, maybe they would be balanced out by the 'fakers'-- but that is almost equally alarming, and itself suggests all kinds of deeper problems.] Both reducing the stigma of and increasing access to mental health ca…

If that many people are supposed to have mental 'disorders', perhaps the problem is really those wielding the alleged definition.

Have you ever gone through the process of being so mentally ill you can't work? It's quite difficult and not something one undergoes just because they want free money. It's dehumanizing and degrading to have to list all these ways you literally can't function like a mentally healthy human being. I know people who frankly have to choose between that and homelessness. To imply there's nothing wrong with these people and in fact the problem lies with the idea of mental disorders existing expresses to me a perhaps lack of exposure or understanding of people who are sick.
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