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Google May Be Stealing Mobile Traffic

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Re: Google May Be Stealing Mobile Traffic

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Post by laurent123456 »

pmontra wrote: post #20

> Consider adding a link at the top of your AMP page, giving user an option to visit the original post Why should they want to read the post again? The only viable option is to have links to other posts on your site, or maybe a link to the comments. By the way, what's the purpose of the bar at the top? The back button of the browser already does that, even on mobile. About analytics: I don't know if those accesses do…

> By the way, what's the purpose of the bar at the top? The back button of the browser already does that, even on mobile.

Maybe they just want people to get used to this bar on top, and then start A/B testing it with ads and see what reaction they get.

Re: Google May Be Stealing Mobile Traffic

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Post by brodie »

gkoberger wrote: post #22
bjt2n3904 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I heard about AMP, I didn't get warm fuzzies. I didn't exactly know how or why, but something told me that the main benefactor with this technology was Google, not the user, and certainly not the content provider. I can make pages faster without AMP by stripping the needless bloat and using a proper CDN. Why do I need this tech again, besides the artificial goad of page rank?

To be fair, as a user... I absolutely love AMP. (That being said, I dislike it as a content provider and as someone worried Google has too much power)

I haven't had a super awesome experience so far with it on my iPhone. I've seen a lot of results where I click on them and they spin forever, never loading. But if I long press and open the result in a new tab, it loads instantly and works fine.

Re: Google May Be Stealing Mobile Traffic

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Post by pmontra »

Illniyar wrote: post #30
pmontra wrote: post #20

> Consider adding a link at the top of your AMP page, giving user an option to visit the original post Why should they want to read the post again? The only viable option is to have links to other posts on your site, or maybe a link to the comments. By the way, what's the purpose of the bar at the top? The back button of the browser already does that, even on mobile. About analytics: I don't know if those accesses do…

"By the way, what's the purpose of the bar at the top? The back button of the browser already does that, even on mobile." It has a slide-out animation to it?

I assume it's an effect that plays when one taps the back arrow in the bar. I'm using Opera on my phone, no animation there, so I can only guess.

The are page transitions. Considering that Google controls both the source and destination page I'm sure they can make one without stealing space on screen. That annoys the user more than the owner of the content.

And if the user has a browser that doesn't support page transitions, it's only a waste of screen space.

Re: Google May Be Stealing Mobile Traffic

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Post by madeofpalk »

lucaspiller wrote: post #8

The whole idea of AMP seems like it's really the wrong way to solve the problem. If you remove all the third party JavaScript, fonts, large images and "like" buttons you'll have effectively the same. I guess it already messes up ads and analytics (although I'd assume Google's services still work), so what's the problem? Kind of related: I recently switched my blog from Wordpress to Hugo. I found a minimal theme, but…

If you say to thousands of developers "make your site faster", you'll have very little luck. How do you make it faster? Which optimisation is appropriate to make? What about all the 'tech debt' our pages have accumulated.

AMP is a single 'framework' you can work with in making your site faster - it's just one thing to learn and reimplement your article pages from scratch.

This is of course ignoring the "ecosystem" capture Google gets as well from this, and the pressure/persuasiveness they put on media companies to implement AMP.

Re: Google May Be Stealing Mobile Traffic

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Post by dspillett »

bjt2n3904 wrote: post #16
Animats wrote: post #11

It's not your site any more. You're just a free content provider to Google now.

When I heard about AMP, I didn't get warm fuzzies. I didn't exactly know how or why, but something told me that the main benefactor with this technology was Google, not the user, and certainly not the content provider. I can make pages faster without AMP by stripping the needless bloat and using a proper CDN. Why do I need this tech again, besides the artificial goad of page rank?

> but something told me that the main benefactor with this technology was Google

Yep, and that something was that it was an initiative by Google.

They are not a charity. They would not do this is it didn't benefit them (or inconvenience a competitor, though Google seem to err on the side of the former rather then aggressively going for the latter) in some way. The fact that is offers benefits for others is secondary, or at best has equal footing in their collective mind (many individuals within the company may be more altruistic individually, but the company as a single entity won't be).

Re: Google May Be Stealing Mobile Traffic

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Post by [deleted] »

bjt2n3904 wrote: post #16
Animats wrote: post #11

It's not your site any more. You're just a free content provider to Google now.

When I heard about AMP, I didn't get warm fuzzies. I didn't exactly know how or why, but something told me that the main benefactor with this technology was Google, not the user, and certainly not the content provider. I can make pages faster without AMP by stripping the needless bloat and using a proper CDN. Why do I need this tech again, besides the artificial goad of page rank?

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Re: Google May Be Stealing Mobile Traffic

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Post by SturgeonsLaw »

sangnoir wrote: post #33
mSparks wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually realised last week I hardly use google search anymore. And cant remember the last time i saw - let alone clicked on an ad (clickbait excluded). Not that I've switched to another search provider as much as search isn't the entry point to the internet it once was (especially with no google on tor sites). That techies like me dont rely on them any more and non techies all share stuff via facebook must be hurtin…

> That techies like me dont rely on them any more You're going to have to cite some data for that bold assertion. Lot's of techies outside of your bubble still use (and rely) on Google.

In fact let's face it, half of being a techie is knowing how and what to Google

Re: Google May Be Stealing Mobile Traffic

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Post by dspillett »

mSparks wrote: post #29
niftich wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The author is regretfully realizing that in this day and age when so much of the discoverability of the web is dominated by Google, Facebook, and a handful other players, content is a commodity that these gatekeepers compete over for the privilege of serving as entry-points, and with it, getting analytics and ad network data. But on the plus side, it's a free CDN, if you're passionate about your content.

Actually realised last week I hardly use google search anymore. And cant remember the last time i saw - let alone clicked on an ad (clickbait excluded). Not that I've switched to another search provider as much as search isn't the entry point to the internet it once was (especially with no google on tor sites). That techies like me dont rely on them any more and non techies all share stuff via facebook must be hurtin…

> let alone clicked on an ad (clickbait excluded)

If you've clicked on clickbait then you are part of that problem, especially if you've clicked on clickbait but not other adverts.

Re: Google May Be Stealing Mobile Traffic

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Post by VeejayRampay »

mehmetkose wrote: post #41

My website is already fast on mobile. Because I am using gulp, and compressing the UI. I have added AMP because of seo. But wtf is this? FUK yourself google! I'll delete amp on my site.

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