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Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

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Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

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Post by bjourne »

Pilfer wrote: post #3

Rodger Stone (who may have back-channel communications with Wikileaks staff [0]) shared two tweets suggesting that this might be US backed action. Note these tweets are still unconfirmed. At time of writing I have not yet seen this information corroborated elsewhere. 1) "John Kerry has threatened the Ecuadorian President with "grave consequences for Equador" if Assange is not silenced @StoneColdTruth" [1] 2) "Reports…

Roger Stone is a so called ratfucker (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ratfucking). He posts a lot of inane garbage in the hopes that it will help Trump and discredit his opposition. He started the completely false rumor that Ted Cruz had several affairs to help Trump win the Republican election. His words are not worth anything.

Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

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Post by BinaryIdiot »

Shank wrote: post #2

Seems to me like whichever "state party" this was didn't consider the implications behind their actions. Wikileaks has released insurance files in the past, and I wouldn't be surprised if this doesn't, automatically or not, trigger a dead man's switch for more leaks. If you're a state party trying to prevent leaks, silencing Julian is probably the worst way to go about it. It would be arcane not to think of this scen…

Seems overblown. Do they really have enough data to dead man switch? I'm unconvinced. Sure they may have something but if it was that good they would have released it by now. Even if whatever they have (if anything) is actually good I would imagine risking it leaking is much better than leaving Julian in position to constantly leak things for a lifetime.

Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

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Post by Solinoid »

Shank wrote: post #2

Seems to me like whichever "state party" this was didn't consider the implications behind their actions. Wikileaks has released insurance files in the past, and I wouldn't be surprised if this doesn't, automatically or not, trigger a dead man's switch for more leaks. If you're a state party trying to prevent leaks, silencing Julian is probably the worst way to go about it. It would be arcane not to think of this scen…

So long as we're all speculating, perhaps the state actor who leaked the documents to Wikileaks in the first place didn't agree with Assange's schedule and wants to trigger the dead man's switch.

Well, I'm off to read some classic Tom Clancy.

Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

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Post by imron »

oxide wrote: post #28
tenpies wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Russian intel dumps Has there been any evidence of this yet? I trust the government and main stream media to accurately report the geographic source of technical transactions about as much as I trust Facebook with privacy.

Haven't the Russians just recently quietly changed gears? i.e. stopped denying it and changed the rhetoric to "why does it matter who leaked it?" I doubt there is concrete, independently verified evidence, but I'm not sure how much more fishy the Kremlin could possibly be about the whole thing. I usually don't mind giving the benefit of the doubt to people, but I don't tend to feel the same way about governments.

> changed the rhetoric to "why does it matter who leaked it?"

No. That's been consistent with their response since the DNCLeaks.

Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

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Post by phy6 »

stale2002 wrote: post #26
evgen wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given current trends with Wikileaks-distributed Russian intel dumps, the upcoming 'surprise' will be another big fat nothing-burger. Most likely case is that Assange went a step too far in using the Ecuadorian's hospitality just to become a Russian cut-out and at some point his ongoing attempts to influence the election (and failing miserably at that) reminded the Ecuadorians that they were gaining nothing by hosting…

I am saving this comment for tomorrow. Normally, I agree with some of the stuff you said. Wikileaks tends to talk big talk without actually delivering. This time though seems a bit different. If they have anything, anything at all left, I think they are going to be leaking it tomorrow, with how much they are hyping this up. If tomorrow the leaks are just a bunch of nothing, well that means they probably don't have an…

I've heard Nov 1st is a special day.

Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

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Post by varjag »

Shank wrote: post #2

Seems to me like whichever "state party" this was didn't consider the implications behind their actions. Wikileaks has released insurance files in the past, and I wouldn't be surprised if this doesn't, automatically or not, trigger a dead man's switch for more leaks. If you're a state party trying to prevent leaks, silencing Julian is probably the worst way to go about it. It would be arcane not to think of this scen…

Or there's no insurance files and Assange is bluffing. He won't sit on some scoop harming the United States for long, his ego and power trip would force his hand.

Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

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Post by Roritharr »

Solinoid wrote: post #33
Shank wrote: post #2

Seems to me like whichever "state party" this was didn't consider the implications behind their actions. Wikileaks has released insurance files in the past, and I wouldn't be surprised if this doesn't, automatically or not, trigger a dead man's switch for more leaks. If you're a state party trying to prevent leaks, silencing Julian is probably the worst way to go about it. It would be arcane not to think of this scen…

So long as we're all speculating, perhaps the state actor who leaked the documents to Wikileaks in the first place didn't agree with Assange's schedule and wants to trigger the dead man's switch. Well, I'm off to read some classic Tom Clancy.

That sounds sensible, they say it's over 500GB of Documents. The release of such a flood of files would swamp all "public intelligence capacity" until after the election.

If you looked at how long it took to find the gold nuggets in the Podesta mails it sounds reasonable willing to force their hand.

Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

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Post by BinaryIdiot »

mythz wrote: post #10
ewr24 wrote: post #9

Lets not forget why he is there. No internet access seems like very little punishment for what he did.

which is?

I'm assuming parent is referring to the sexual assault and rape allegations against him. Depending on which side you're on you may believe they're made up charges to get him locked up or you may think he's a criminal hiding from doing said things to multiple women (2 IIRC).

FYI, at the moment the statute of limitations have ended for the sexual assaults and the rape statute ends in 2020.

Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

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Post by varjag »

lyschoening wrote: post #29
gragas wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[citation needed] Please provide evidence that the leaks are from Russia. Also, many people care a lot about Assange. Millions of people care about Assange and WikiLeaks. It is absolutely absurd (and almost un-humanitarian) to try to downplay the work that he has done.

U.S. intelligence services and the Obama administration have explicitly accused Russia of the leaks and assessed that this must have been orchestrated from high in the Russian government. That's a pretty bold statement in politics. Of course we can point to cases where U.S. administrations have lied, but it still should count as evidence, at least on a probabilistic level. Also, regarding Assange, I believe evgen mea…

Also note that the U.S. government did not implicate any foreign governments in cases of cablegate or NSA leaks, and these were as big as they get. Obama administration does not seem to throw such accusations lightly.

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Post by Kenji »

I wish I could help Assange. This guy deserves a medal, and barely any country has enough morals to host him. Here we have a presidential candidate seriously saying "Can't we just drone this guy?" (Hillary Clinton, obviously) and barely anyone stands up for him. People get extradited because otherwise there will be economic embargos. Trade your morals for a 4K TV. Disgusting.
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