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Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

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Post by harry8 » Mon, Oct 17, 2016, 7:01 AM UTC

AvenueIngres wrote: post #8

Pilfer wrote: post #3

Rodger Stone (who may have back-channel communications with Wikileaks staff [0]) shared two tweets suggesting that this might be US backed action. Note these tweets are still unconfirmed. At time of writing I have not yet seen this information corroborated elsewhere. 1) "John Kerry has threatened the Ecuadorian President with "grave consequences for Equador" if Assange is not silenced @StoneColdTruth" [1] 2) "Reports…

> that this might be US backed action I doubt the USG is involved in this. They have a pretty solid track record of both respecting human rights and due process. Keep in mind the US government is the most ethical government in the world. Assange, on the other hand, is a rapist and a Russian puppet trying to hijack the US election. He probably is a Trump supporter in disguise and a closeted systemd committer. If that…

I nearly bit. Well played.

Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

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Post by tenpies » Mon, Oct 17, 2016, 7:02 AM UTC

evgen wrote: post #19

stale2002 wrote: post #15

Oh man! Whats the upcoming Monday Surprise going to be! They have been hyping it up. Leaks for everyone! Freaking leak Christmas over here.

Given current trends with Wikileaks-distributed Russian intel dumps, the upcoming 'surprise' will be another big fat nothing-burger. Most likely case is that Assange went a step too far in using the Ecuadorian's hospitality just to become a Russian cut-out and at some point his ongoing attempts to influence the election (and failing miserably at that) reminded the Ecuadorians that they were gaining nothing by hosting…

> Russian intel dumps

Has there been any evidence of this yet? I trust the government and main stream media to accurately report the geographic source of technical transactions about as much as I trust Facebook with privacy.

Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

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Post by evgen » Mon, Oct 17, 2016, 7:02 AM UTC

AvenueIngres wrote: post #13

Pilfer wrote: post #3

Rodger Stone (who may have back-channel communications with Wikileaks staff [0]) shared two tweets suggesting that this might be US backed action. Note these tweets are still unconfirmed. At time of writing I have not yet seen this information corroborated elsewhere. 1) "John Kerry has threatened the Ecuadorian President with "grave consequences for Equador" if Assange is not silenced @StoneColdTruth" [1] 2) "Reports…

For what it is worth (that is not a lot): https://i.imgur.com/abcVS6q.jpg Though it might be something: a guy claiming to be a CIA intelligence analyst says that Assange is about to get extradited. We will know in the coming hours for sure. If this is true it is pretty damaging to the sexual assault accusations he was facing in Sweden. That would confirm that it was indeed the end-goal of getting him transferred to S…

What it would confirm is that Assange has made himself more trouble than he is worth the the Ecuadorian's and they have decided to simply kick him out of their embassy. They have no moral obligation to continue providing shelter for someone who thinks their protection is some untouchable perch from which to play political games and are simply asking them to leave. Assange is that guy you once knew from high school who you let crash on your couch for 'a few days' and find still there a year later trying to run a mail-order scam out of your kitchen. He is being shown the door.

The fact that once he leaves the long-delayed wheels of justice start turning is merely a side-effect. The end-goal is not getting him transferred to Sweden, it is for Assange to be able to show the world that he was right all along by defending himself against the charges against him and not hiding until he could run out the clock.

Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

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Post by snovv_crash » Mon, Oct 17, 2016, 7:02 AM UTC

imron wrote: post #16

AvenueIngres wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> that this might be US backed action I doubt the USG is involved in this. They have a pretty solid track record of both respecting human rights and due process. Keep in mind the US government is the most ethical government in the world. Assange, on the other hand, is a rapist and a Russian puppet trying to hijack the US election. He probably is a Trump supporter in disguise and a closeted systemd committer. If that…

Don't worry about the downvotes AvenueIngres, I'm guessing those people fell victim to Poe's law.

Or they don't read entire comments.

Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

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Post by mirkules » Mon, Oct 17, 2016, 7:05 AM UTC

harry8 wrote: post #21

AvenueIngres wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> that this might be US backed action I doubt the USG is involved in this. They have a pretty solid track record of both respecting human rights and due process. Keep in mind the US government is the most ethical government in the world. Assange, on the other hand, is a rapist and a Russian puppet trying to hijack the US election. He probably is a Trump supporter in disguise and a closeted systemd committer. If that…

I nearly bit. Well played.

Yeah me too. I had to look up PEP8 to finally get it.

Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

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Post by stale2002 » Mon, Oct 17, 2016, 7:06 AM UTC

evgen wrote: post #19

stale2002 wrote: post #15

Oh man! Whats the upcoming Monday Surprise going to be! They have been hyping it up. Leaks for everyone! Freaking leak Christmas over here.

Given current trends with Wikileaks-distributed Russian intel dumps, the upcoming 'surprise' will be another big fat nothing-burger. Most likely case is that Assange went a step too far in using the Ecuadorian's hospitality just to become a Russian cut-out and at some point his ongoing attempts to influence the election (and failing miserably at that) reminded the Ecuadorians that they were gaining nothing by hosting…

I am saving this comment for tomorrow.

Normally, I agree with some of the stuff you said.

Wikileaks tends to talk big talk without actually delivering.

This time though seems a bit different. If they have anything, anything at all left, I think they are going to be leaking it tomorrow, with how much they are hyping this up.

If tomorrow the leaks are just a bunch of nothing, well that means they probably don't have anything at all of significance. We will surely see.

Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

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Post by imron » Mon, Oct 17, 2016, 7:07 AM UTC

snovv_crash wrote: post #24

imron wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't worry about the downvotes AvenueIngres, I'm guessing those people fell victim to Poe's law.

Or they don't read entire comments.

That's a fair point. It took me up until 'closeted systemd committer' to realise he wasn't being serious :-)

Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

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Post by oxide » Mon, Oct 17, 2016, 7:15 AM UTC

tenpies wrote: post #22

evgen wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given current trends with Wikileaks-distributed Russian intel dumps, the upcoming 'surprise' will be another big fat nothing-burger. Most likely case is that Assange went a step too far in using the Ecuadorian's hospitality just to become a Russian cut-out and at some point his ongoing attempts to influence the election (and failing miserably at that) reminded the Ecuadorians that they were gaining nothing by hosting…

> Russian intel dumps Has there been any evidence of this yet? I trust the government and main stream media to accurately report the geographic source of technical transactions about as much as I trust Facebook with privacy.

Haven't the Russians just recently quietly changed gears? i.e. stopped denying it and changed the rhetoric to "why does it matter who leaked it?"

I doubt there is concrete, independently verified evidence, but I'm not sure how much more fishy the Kremlin could possibly be about the whole thing.

I usually don't mind giving the benefit of the doubt to people, but I don't tend to feel the same way about governments.

Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

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Post by lyschoening » Mon, Oct 17, 2016, 7:19 AM UTC

gragas wrote: post #20

evgen wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given current trends with Wikileaks-distributed Russian intel dumps, the upcoming 'surprise' will be another big fat nothing-burger. Most likely case is that Assange went a step too far in using the Ecuadorian's hospitality just to become a Russian cut-out and at some point his ongoing attempts to influence the election (and failing miserably at that) reminded the Ecuadorians that they were gaining nothing by hosting…

[citation needed] Please provide evidence that the leaks are from Russia. Also, many people care a lot about Assange. Millions of people care about Assange and WikiLeaks. It is absolutely absurd (and almost un-humanitarian) to try to downplay the work that he has done.

U.S. intelligence services and the Obama administration have explicitly accused Russia of the leaks and assessed that this must have been orchestrated from high in the Russian government. That's a pretty bold statement in politics. Of course we can point to cases where U.S. administrations have lied, but it still should count as evidence, at least on a probabilistic level.

Also, regarding Assange, I believe evgen meant to say that the administration was happy with where he was holed up until he started stirring up the pot.

Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'

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Post by nostrademons » Mon, Oct 17, 2016, 7:19 AM UTC

AvenueIngres wrote: post #8

Pilfer wrote: post #3

Rodger Stone (who may have back-channel communications with Wikileaks staff [0]) shared two tweets suggesting that this might be US backed action. Note these tweets are still unconfirmed. At time of writing I have not yet seen this information corroborated elsewhere. 1) "John Kerry has threatened the Ecuadorian President with "grave consequences for Equador" if Assange is not silenced @StoneColdTruth" [1] 2) "Reports…

> that this might be US backed action I doubt the USG is involved in this. They have a pretty solid track record of both respecting human rights and due process. Keep in mind the US government is the most ethical government in the world. Assange, on the other hand, is a rapist and a Russian puppet trying to hijack the US election. He probably is a Trump supporter in disguise and a closeted systemd committer. If that…

Not systemd, Postgres:

https://git.postgresql.org/gitweb/?p=postgresql.git&a=search...

Would this change your opinion?