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Political speech is protected. There may be 4th and 5th amendment arguments, too
Miranda: Right to remain silent.
Fifth amendment too, if that speech would fundamentally lead to incrimination.
Feds Walk into a Building and Demand Everyone's Fingerprints to Open Phones
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#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you travel ? In much if not all of Europe not giving your password, even to a random search when passing through (not entering the country), is a crime. Therefore legal advice is to provide custom agents and other police with access to any device upon request and then.
Forgetting your password is a crime? Have they consulted neurologists?
You'd have to convince a judge of that.
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Fortunately, my threat model does not include people cutting off my fingers. Take out the pliers and you can have my phone. My notes are private, but not that private.
https://www.xkcd.com/538/
That's the reality, for sure, but at least you're stripping away the air of respectability, law, and order. When you're whipping someone with a rubber hose, you've made a serious commitment.
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#54Duress fingerprints. 'nuff said. Or a configurable timeout, rather than the apparently hard-coded 48 hours. Or ask for a PIN if the phone's radio detects many more other radios in the vicinity than a few minutes ago ("Because you might be under duress, please enter a PIN now.") Or if a phone has been sitting on a flat surface for a while, require a PIN. Or require a PIN if the phone is tapped with a duress code ("Sha…
Touch ID is set to require a passcode after five failed attempts, One could use an unregistered finger or knuckle to intentionally fail the five attempts and force a passcode requirement.
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#55If my device has been powered off, it can't be unlocked with a fingerprint. For me that's enough of a trade-off to take the risk.
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#56I don't know that withholding your fingerprint to keep your phone locked would work, anyway. They already have my fingerprint on file, and likely most of everyone else's, in the DMV records.
I'm not sure if fingerprint scanners have been defeated using ink prints yet, but it's just a matter of time, I suspect.
Fingerprints are established as identification, which makes them necessarily not private/secret.
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#57Just another reason to forgo the convenience of biometrics in favor of a password/phrase that exists only in your mind. At least for now, that's something you can't be compelled to produce. Really though, this descent into a police state is such a pathetic outcome for this country. Dangerous, scary, and tragic, but also... pathetic. This is what happens when a sizeable majority don't even participate in the electoral…
I'm not sure if "overwhelmingly mindless" is the right characterization. In my opinion, the most interesting story playing out among the Western nations is what is happening in Poland right now. In the USA, people fought for independence from Britain starting in 1775, so obviously those people are not alive in 2016. But in Poland, many of the people alive now are the same people who overthrew tyranny in 1989. That's…
In counterpoint to this, witness the mass protests (by women) against the proposed ban in abortion. A religious right wing pressure group pushed it along, the govt backed it, mass protests, humiliating back down. Goes to show how out if touch ruling parties are about what people think, and their belief that people actually do support their hard line policies.
In actuality, maybe people are just voting based in whether their economic circumstances improved over the last term, regardless of whether the change was due to national or global factors. Maybe they just don't like the Russians and voted for the nationalist rhetoric.
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, it's what happens when large numbers of people decide they care about safety and security more than they care about freedom. That doesn't necessarily make it any better, but to attribute this outcome to mindlessness is to badly miss the point. The first step to solving a problem is to understand what the problem actually is .
The problem is that we're not exchanging freedom for security, we're exchanging freedom for the empty promise of security and the reality of a police state. I'm still calling "mindless".
To give another example:
If the US were to outlaw all forms of encryption, we would have less privacy AND less security:
Less Privacy: all communication is now readable by a third party in the middle
Less Security: all banking information is now transmitted in plaintext
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Exactly. It is a form of identification not authentication.
I heard fingerprints described as "Authentication, not authorisation", which I think is a better description of the role they play (on the iPhone, at least), and the role they should play. They authenticate who you are, they aren't trivial to fake. However, they shouldn't authorise access to a device on their own. Your fingerprint works as a somewhat more secure, medium term swipe-to-unlock for your phone.
Authorization typically means what actions the authenticated user is allowed to perform, not that the authenticated user has herself conveyed some kind of approval.
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#60This is why my unlock is not tied to biometrics. Once I realized the government can compel you to unlock your phone without a warrant using your fingerprint it became a much less compelling feature. The same for facial recognition.
Do you travel ? In much if not all of Europe not giving your password, even to a random search when passing through (not entering the country), is a crime. Therefore legal advice is to provide custom agents and other police with access to any device upon request and then.
I call BS. Do you have any sources to back up this claim?