So, where's the content? How many backups are there? How many backups are offsite? Are any publicly-available?
C2 wiki closed for remodeling
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Re: C2 wiki closed for remodeling
#12Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why? I don't see any problem, the message seems quite clear; wikis (similar to forums) are hard to maintain (spam, server load & costs); new inventions are hard to promote (federated wiki mentioned in the post); and maintenance work on hobby projects is gruesome and taxing (thus any chance at getting some leeway by any means available is invaluable).
Would not it be better, as an interim state, to freeze the current content and provide it as static pages, likely with minimal server load.
Not exactly a trivial task, and surely gruesome. And could still draw flak from some unhappy people anyway. And by the way - isn't the contents maybe available on the Web Archive already?
Re: C2 wiki closed for remodeling
#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
Would not it be better, as an interim state, to freeze the current content and provide it as static pages, likely with minimal server load.
Not exactly a trivial task, and surely gruesome. And could still draw flak from some unhappy people anyway. And by the way - isn't the contents maybe available on the Web Archive already?
Surely pretty trivial to forbid all edits?
Re: C2 wiki closed for remodeling
#14> Smallest Federated Wiki is a software platform developed by Ward Cunningham which adds forking features found in software development tools like GitHub to wikis.[1] The project was launched at IndieWebCamp 2011.[2] The software allows its users to fork wiki pages, maintaining their own copies. > > Federation supports what Cunningham has described as "a chorus of voices" where users share content but maintain their…
> In short I guess if I disagree with a page instead of editing it and starting an edit-war I can fork it.
Which I'd expect to lead to less of a "chorus" and more of a cacophony of voices as every disputed change, every contentious rewrite, leads to another fork of the original.
Merging software branches can be hard enough. Merging "forks" of English text is horrendous, and gets worse the further the forks are from each other. There's a good reason why no commonly used wiki software has this functionality: it's completely impractical to use.
Re: C2 wiki closed for remodeling
#15So, where's the content? How many backups are there? How many backups are offsite? Are any publicly-available?
Read the article. Unfortunately the content is looked up in a tangle of different character encodings and Ward needs to do a lot of work to convert it all into UTF-8. When that is done, it will all come back, better than before.
Re: C2 wiki closed for remodeling
#16> Smallest Federated Wiki is a software platform developed by Ward Cunningham which adds forking features found in software development tools like GitHub to wikis.[1] The project was launched at IndieWebCamp 2011.[2] The software allows its users to fork wiki pages, maintaining their own copies. > > Federation supports what Cunningham has described as "a chorus of voices" where users share content but maintain their…
> In short I guess if I disagree with a page instead of editing it and starting an edit-war I can fork it. Which I'd expect to lead to less of a "chorus" and more of a cacophony of voices as every disputed change, every contentious rewrite, leads to another fork of the original. Merging software branches can be hard enough. Merging "forks" of English text is horrendous, and gets worse the further the forks are from e…
I was going originally going to post how happy I was with the Wikipedia way of one source of truth and how I really like that system, but the fact is I don't know enough about the subject to say it's the best way. I do agree with you, though.
Re: C2 wiki closed for remodeling
#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why? I don't see any problem, the message seems quite clear; wikis (similar to forums) are hard to maintain (spam, server load & costs); new inventions are hard to promote (federated wiki mentioned in the post); and maintenance work on hobby projects is gruesome and taxing (thus any chance at getting some leeway by any means available is invaluable).
Would not it be better, as an interim state, to freeze the current content and provide it as static pages, likely with minimal server load.
It's in the post:
So why close? It gives me room to work. The continuous scraping bumps up against my web throttling making all other web services useless. Even shell is painfully slow.
Re: C2 wiki closed for remodeling
#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
Would not it be better, as an interim state, to freeze the current content and provide it as static pages, likely with minimal server load.
Not exactly a trivial task, and surely gruesome. And could still draw flak from some unhappy people anyway. And by the way - isn't the contents maybe available on the Web Archive already?
wget --mirror. Put it into a directory. Serve the directory. Done.
(I'm simplifiying here of course, but as long as you can get the server running, it's not hard to make a static copy.)
But yeah, it's all on archive.com: https://web.archive.org/web/20160326180126/http://c2.com/cgi...?
Re: C2 wiki closed for remodeling
#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I don't want to have to build my own wiki for everything In the fedwiki model, you would join a neighborhood of people you trust to write good content. fedwiki has a chicken and egg problem right now - there are no good neighborhoods to join.
It's also pretty terrible UX-wise. I don't understand how to navigate it.
I don't know, I like the UX of it a lot.
Re: C2 wiki closed for remodeling
#20So, where's the content? How many backups are there? How many backups are offsite? Are any publicly-available?
Read the article. Unfortunately the content is looked up in a tangle of different character encodings and Ward needs to do a lot of work to convert it all into UTF-8. When that is done, it will all come back, better than before.
Why does Ward need to do that before putting a tarball up somewhere?
I've seen so many sites cease to exist after undertaking ambitious overhauls like this.