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What has happened down here is the winds have changed
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#32Interesting use of the lyrics to Randy Newman's classic "Louisiana 1927" https://youtu.be/MGs2iLoDUYE If you only know about him as the guy who does Disney/Pixar music you're really missing out.
Kind of fitting but I wonder if last few lines will turn out to fit too: "The President say ... isn't it a shame what the river has done to this poor cracker's land."
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#33The author says:
" In short, Fiske doesn’t like when people use social media to publish negative comments on published research. She’s implicitly following what I’ve sometimes called the research incumbency rule: that, once an article is published in some approved venue, it should be taken as truth. "
after citing an article of Susan Fiske. The sentences in quotes are blatant lies, obvious if the cited article is read. She says, in the cited article:
" In contrast, the self-appointed destructive critic's role now includes public shaming and blaming, often implying dishonesty on the part of the target and other innuendo based on unchecked assumptions. Targets often seem to be chosen for scientifically irrelevant reasons: their contrary opinions, professional prominence or career stage vulnerability. "
Shame on you Mr. Gelman.
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#34Is Fiskes article related to the replication crisis? Remember that whole cultural appropriation thing last year? Or the safe space movements on campus? There are plenty of movements that abuse political correctness to bully anyone around. On the opposite side there are plenty of 4chan types who love to shamelessly bully anyone who dare come out with a feministic message. I imagine academics in related fields are ripe…
I don't think she's talking about personal abuse. Some people just get upset when mistakes are pointed out in public. There is a crisis in social psychology: its status as a science is crumbling. Naturally, feelings are raw; many careers are precarious.
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#35Is Fiskes article related to the replication crisis? Remember that whole cultural appropriation thing last year? Or the safe space movements on campus? There are plenty of movements that abuse political correctness to bully anyone around. On the opposite side there are plenty of 4chan types who love to shamelessly bully anyone who dare come out with a feministic message. I imagine academics in related fields are ripe…
I don't think she's talking about personal abuse. Some people just get upset when mistakes are pointed out in public. There is a crisis in social psychology: its status as a science is crumbling. Naturally, feelings are raw; many careers are precarious.
It seems they're "precarious" because massive amounts of research is "fraudulent" or at minimum plagued with errors.
If my code was in a similar state, I would consider my career "precarious" or "at risk" too.
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#36Is Fiskes article related to the replication crisis? Remember that whole cultural appropriation thing last year? Or the safe space movements on campus? There are plenty of movements that abuse political correctness to bully anyone around. On the opposite side there are plenty of 4chan types who love to shamelessly bully anyone who dare come out with a feministic message. I imagine academics in related fields are ripe…
This is literally nothing to do with any of the things that you mention. Why do you think it is? Indeed, it has been discussed many times in different contexts on Gelman's blog and here on HN too, so you can just read this and the previous discussions to see that it's specifically about research and statistics methodology in psychology. The blog post itself contains plenty of links itself that you can read to find out what it's about.
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#37First, I don't understand why rapid feedback is bad. Communication adapts to new mediums all the time, and academia goes with it. The arXiv pre-print system is a great example of a field adapting well to a new technology.
Secondly, addressing the article's main point, I'm being told that social media comments about their studies are so traumatic and detrimental that they leave their careers. That's a problem with the researcher's ability to handle digital hate mail. Doctors, lawyers, dentists, and veterinarians all get massive amounts of digital hate mail.
Finally, after the failure to replicate studies, "self-appointed data police" and "methodological terrorism"[0] sound like exactly what the field needs.
[0] I have to say, only an incredibly insular community could come up with such an insensitive name. Checking your methods is not terrorism. Someone doing preliminary reviews on research data is not terrorism. To compare data critics to terrorists both insults the victims of actual terrorism, and dilutes the definition of the term so far as to be almost meaningless. They may as well call them "Methodological Nazis."
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think she's talking about personal abuse. Some people just get upset when mistakes are pointed out in public. There is a crisis in social psychology: its status as a science is crumbling. Naturally, feelings are raw; many careers are precarious.
It seems they're "precarious" because massive amounts of research is "fraudulent" or at minimum plagued with errors. If my code was in a similar state, I would consider my career "precarious" or "at risk" too.
Indeed. It seems likely that there are prominent people in these fields, with decades of research and publishing behind them, almost all of it based on bad statistical methods. Naturally, there is a certain amount of panic.
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think my personal favorite is the Kahneman quote about how you have NO CHOICE BUT TO ACCEPT.
I also find this quote remarkable, and not in a good way; but I recall that Kahneman's studies do replicate pretty well. (This is not to say that all their claimed implications are true - this is the part where "no choice but to accept" rubs me the wrong way.)
The full no choice but to accept quote was specifically about priming studies, IIRC, and I guess what irked Gelman (a statistician) the most was that Kahneman got statistics wrong by overestimating the strength of evidence.
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#40First, I don't understand why rapid feedback is bad. Communication adapts to new mediums all the time, and academia goes with it. The arXiv pre-print system is a great example of a field adapting well to a new technology. Secondly, addressing the article's main point, I'm being told that social media comments about their studies are so traumatic and detrimental that they leave their careers. That's a problem with the…
only an incredibly insular community