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Re: A Man Who Stood Up To Facebook

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Post by tracker1 »

wtallis wrote: post #93
downandout wrote: post #85

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The problem is that this probably violates Facebook's TOS. Enabling a TOS violation for users as a business model would make for a pretty easy tortious interference lawsuit by Facebook against Power.

It seems like it would be pretty hard to draft TOS that prohibit the user from running a program on their own machine that requests, processes, and outputs data on the user's behalf without banning more traditional user agents like web browsers and proxies.

Such a tool wouldn't need to provide the FB credentials to the third party, only in the application, or as-mentioned a browser itself, with an extension.

Re: A Man Who Stood Up To Facebook

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Post by anewhnaccount »

Didn't Facebook used to ask to log in to your email to import your contacts to look for friends? Sure, unlike LinkedIn they at least actually asked first, but I think it shows how there's one law for the incumbent and quite another for the rest.

Re: A Man Who Stood Up To Facebook

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Post by rokhayakebe »

kbenson wrote: post #79
kareemsabri wrote: post #77

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Rent is the killer in SF. Forget about Brazil and imagine even a cheap American city. 1BR apartment in SF is ~$3300 1BR apartment in New Orleans is ~$1300. $24K/yr in savings on rent alone. Even if you fly in 8 times per year, for a round trip cost of $1K with food and accommodations, you're still well ahead. If you live abroad, and can earn USD and take advantage of the exchange rate, you're even farther ahead. A 1B…

> 1BR apartment in New Orleans is ~$1300. Sure, but my point was that if you view SF as integral for some reason, you can find 1BR apartment rentals for ~$1300 (and 2 bedroom for $1400) an hour North of SF. If you're willing to go slightly over 2 hours from SF (which if you've considering flying in occasionally isn't bad at all), you can find 2 BR apartments for It's not a beach in a tropical climate, but it sure is…

I am sure living in Ukiah is different from Sao Paolo.

Re: A Man Who Stood Up To Facebook

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Post by paulddraper »

al_chemist wrote: post #90
paulddraper wrote: post #30

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> try everything in their power not to budge The first part I get, but this I don't. Deleting an email is a mouseclick. A lot easier than getting the pest control guy off my doorstep.

> The first part I get, but this I don't. Deleting an email is a mouseclick. If you really believe it, please share your primary e-mail address here.

And share with me your residential address.

Re: A Man Who Stood Up To Facebook

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Post by ghurtado »

dalke wrote: post #80
ghurtado wrote: post #65

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> I submit that spamming is much closer to these unwanted public interactions than anything like rape. None of those things are illegal, so you've already failed the most basic test for the analogy. Furthermore, you still seem to be missing the point that this is not an analogy between spamming and rape, but between falsely accusing someone of spamming and falsely accusing someone of rape . > Is it as devastating as…

Spamming is not illegal, if it follows the CAN-SPAM Act of 2003. FB claimed that Power Ventures's actions fell under the CAN-SPAM Act, and was a violation of the act, and was a willful violation so FB could get 3x damages as restitution, plus attorney fees. There is nothing like that in rape law, where some rapes are legal and some are illegal. There are things like that in anti-peddling laws, which might allow only…

Some very valid points indeed.

> What are the "devastating social consequences" which resulted from that verified claim?

If there's one thing I can confidently back off from is having used the word "devastating". That was, in hindsight, rather hyperbolic.

I think at this point I'm defending the analogy far more than I intended to. I'm not in love with it, I just thought it was being misperceived as an analogy of consequences of the crime itself, when to me it was meant to illustrate a comparison between two crimes which (justly or not) are known for being associated with false accusations / low burden of proof.

> Who else has faced the devastating social consequences of being called a spammer?

If we drop the words "devastating" and "social" from the question (which I realize I introduced), the answer would be "any business who has unfairly been blacklisted by mail providers, blacklisted from Google search results, has had their hosting account suspended, or has been targeted by things like DDoS attacks". These cases do exist, and I've worked at companies affected by this. I do agree now that the consequences (specially at a personal level) are clearly not as serious as being falsely accused of rape.

Thanks for the discussion :)

Re: A Man Who Stood Up To Facebook

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Post by DamnYuppie »

hueving wrote: post #100
kefka wrote: post #95

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Prevlcisely what ZainRiz said. Jihad is a striving for a good goal. One can have a jihad for school fundraiser. One can jihad for personal weight loss. Or one can jihad for working on an open source project. Yeah, the bad ones use it to support ill gains.

Sure, one can also go around yelling "Sieg Heil" at celebrations, but the phrase has been a little tainted by insane people.

To be honest there is probably very little difference between those people back in the 1930's and the polarized groups of US voters on both sides of the spectrum. They didn't know at the time what exactly they were voting for and the consequences that would play out.

Re: A Man Who Stood Up To Facebook

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Post by whybroke »

hueving wrote: post #99
ZainRiz wrote: post #92

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Bro, I'd ask you to not use the word "jihadi" as a slur. The word means one who strives, physically or mentally, for the sake of good. The fact that it's been hijacked by deviant so-called "religious" groups doesn't change what the word really represents. And reinforcing the notion that those deviant groups are jihadis just strengthens the claims of ISIS and Al-Qaida that they're the ones properly following their rel…

It's ways higher than 1%. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jul/... Almost 1 in 10 supporting savage violence and meaningless destruction. It's not the poster that made it a slur, it's the insane violence supported by a non-negligible portion of Muslims that made it a slur.

Twice that rate of Germans (16%) and Americans (18%) think the Sun goes around the earth.[1]

So does 9% really indicate a key culturally defining characteristic?

[1] http://www.gallup.com/poll/3742/new-poll-gauges-americans-ge...

Re: A Man Who Stood Up To Facebook

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Post by segmondy »

achow wrote: post #15

Because of this I discovered the book 'Chaos Monkeys' and immediately bought it! The top Amazon review decided it for me.. Amazingly accurate coverage of Facebook's internal culture, the good, the bad, and the ugly. (Plus much, much more!) https://www.amazon.com/review/R2GQCWUZKVOY10/ref=cm_cr_dp_ti...

I just finished reading it last week, will read it again.

Re: A Man Who Stood Up To Facebook

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Post by cbsmith »

wtallis wrote: post #93
downandout wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that this probably violates Facebook's TOS. Enabling a TOS violation for users as a business model would make for a pretty easy tortious interference lawsuit by Facebook against Power.

It seems like it would be pretty hard to draft TOS that prohibit the user from running a program on their own machine that requests, processes, and outputs data on the user's behalf without banning more traditional user agents like web browsers and proxies.

Usually the trick is to add in something like "...at Facebook's discretion...".

Re: A Man Who Stood Up To Facebook

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Post by quirkafleeg »

wrong_variable wrote: post #54
kbenson wrote: post #42

Vachani is based in Brazil, where life is more affordable. He flies into San Francisco a lot, though, in an ongoing effort to stay in the tech biz. So, open question, how much cheaper does it have to be in Brazil to make it worthwhile to live there because it's cheaper, if you are flying into SF a lot? I mean, I know SF is expensive, but presumably if you are willing to make ~$600 flights on a regular basis, you woul…

You can get high speed internet in many parts of the developing world for less than 20 dollars a month - its amazing really. You can buy food, pay rent and utils - live near a sunny beach for less than 50 dollars a month. Of course if all SF software engineers cut their debt shackle - and used global inequality for their advantage it would wreck havoc to the current pecking order of tech capitalists. It would allow t…

> You can buy food, pay rent and utils - live near a sunny beach for less than 50 dollars a month.

Can you give an example of such a place, where the total cost of rent, food and utilities (water, electricity) amounts to less than 50 USD per month?

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