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Re: A Man Who Stood Up To Facebook

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Post by pmoriarty »

kareemsabri wrote: post #77
kbenson wrote: post #42

Vachani is based in Brazil, where life is more affordable. He flies into San Francisco a lot, though, in an ongoing effort to stay in the tech biz. So, open question, how much cheaper does it have to be in Brazil to make it worthwhile to live there because it's cheaper, if you are flying into SF a lot? I mean, I know SF is expensive, but presumably if you are willing to make ~$600 flights on a regular basis, you woul…

Rent is the killer in SF. Forget about Brazil and imagine even a cheap American city. 1BR apartment in SF is ~$3300 1BR apartment in New Orleans is ~$1300. $24K/yr in savings on rent alone. Even if you fly in 8 times per year, for a round trip cost of $1K with food and accommodations, you're still well ahead. If you live abroad, and can earn USD and take advantage of the exchange rate, you're even farther ahead. A 1B…

You don't need to go as far as New Orleans to pay ~$1300 for a 1BR. There are lots of place in the Bay Area where you can get that, but you may have to sacrifice convenience, safety, age or condition of the apartment, commuting distance, or some other desirable traits.

The best, though, if you can swing it, is telecommuting. Then you can work most anywhere with an internet connection. And there are, arguably, far more interesting places to live (or at least visit) than the Bay Area.

Travel gets old after a while, but I think you're really missing out if you haven't at least gone to a few countries that are radically different from where you grew up.

Re: A Man Who Stood Up To Facebook

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Post by ZainRiz »

zardo wrote: post #61
whybroke wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It's promoting behavior that is different from real life as they stand to gain from stoking outrages and heated discussions: more active user engagement! This undoubtedly has very serious consequences beyond merely being annoying. Trending untrue news stories, encouraging post-true controversy and providing an echo chamber for these things to intensify and become ingrained. And doing these things on a enormous scale…

I've recently started seeing what I can only call christian jihadi propaganda on my newsfeed. The Clintons assassinated Scalia and they are going to force you to renounce God or put you on the cross.

Bro, I'd ask you to not use the word "jihadi" as a slur. The word means one who strives, physically or mentally, for the sake of good. The fact that it's been hijacked by deviant so-called "religious" groups doesn't change what the word really represents.

And reinforcing the notion that those deviant groups are jihadis just strengthens the claims of ISIS and Al-Qaida that they're the ones properly following their religion, when more than 99% of the muslim world rejects them completely.

Re: A Man Who Stood Up To Facebook

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Post by wtallis »

downandout wrote: post #85
War_Machine wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After Power's IP addresses were blocked by Facebook, couldn't Power use the user as proxy to access Facebook instead? In other words, have the user (through some Power provided tool I suppose) access Facebook and feed Power the information it wants to send.

The problem is that this probably violates Facebook's TOS. Enabling a TOS violation for users as a business model would make for a pretty easy tortious interference lawsuit by Facebook against Power.

It seems like it would be pretty hard to draft TOS that prohibit the user from running a program on their own machine that requests, processes, and outputs data on the user's behalf without banning more traditional user agents like web browsers and proxies.

Re: A Man Who Stood Up To Facebook

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Post by downandout »

wtallis wrote: post #93
downandout wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that this probably violates Facebook's TOS. Enabling a TOS violation for users as a business model would make for a pretty easy tortious interference lawsuit by Facebook against Power.

It seems like it would be pretty hard to draft TOS that prohibit the user from running a program on their own machine that requests, processes, and outputs data on the user's behalf without banning more traditional user agents like web browsers and proxies.

If I remember correctly, Facebook prohibits users from supplying third parties with their Facebook Login credentials for the purpose of that third party logging in on their behalf.

Edit: From Section 4(8) of the Facebook TOS [1]:

"You will not share your password (or in the case of developers, your secret key), let anyone else access your account, or do anything else that might jeopardize the security of your account."

[1] https://www.facebook.com/legal/terms

Re: A Man Who Stood Up To Facebook

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Post by kefka »

zardo wrote: post #61
whybroke wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It's promoting behavior that is different from real life as they stand to gain from stoking outrages and heated discussions: more active user engagement! This undoubtedly has very serious consequences beyond merely being annoying. Trending untrue news stories, encouraging post-true controversy and providing an echo chamber for these things to intensify and become ingrained. And doing these things on a enormous scale…

I've recently started seeing what I can only call christian jihadi propaganda on my newsfeed. The Clintons assassinated Scalia and they are going to force you to renounce God or put you on the cross.

Prevlcisely what ZainRiz said. Jihad is a striving for a good goal.

One can have a jihad for school fundraiser. One can jihad for personal weight loss. Or one can jihad for working on an open source project.

Yeah, the bad ones use it to support ill gains.

Re: A Man Who Stood Up To Facebook

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Post by lasc4r »

ZainRiz wrote: post #92
zardo wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've recently started seeing what I can only call christian jihadi propaganda on my newsfeed. The Clintons assassinated Scalia and they are going to force you to renounce God or put you on the cross.

Bro, I'd ask you to not use the word "jihadi" as a slur. The word means one who strives, physically or mentally, for the sake of good. The fact that it's been hijacked by deviant so-called "religious" groups doesn't change what the word really represents. And reinforcing the notion that those deviant groups are jihadis just strengthens the claims of ISIS and Al-Qaida that they're the ones properly following their rel…

Pretty sure more than 1% of Muslims don't completely reject ISIS. Definitely not Al Qaida.

Re: A Man Who Stood Up To Facebook

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Post by odbol_ »

joesmo wrote: post #58
szx wrote: post #24

So you own your data but they won't let just any app touch it. Apps need to comply with certain conditions and FB retains complete control. Where it gets interesting is when someone like this guy tries to circumvent this arrangement by having the user willingly supply them with their credentials. FB would never blame the user, even though that's arguably the correct way to respond, because that's a PR disaster. Wheth…

If FB retains complete control, you don't own your data. If you own your data, FB (or any other party) cannot retain complete control. Otherwise, what is the meaning of "own" that you have redefined the word to mean?

Own in the very legal sense that it is your Intellectual Property, even though you have no real control over it once it gets into their hands.

Re: A Man Who Stood Up To Facebook

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Post by wtallis »

downandout wrote: post #94
wtallis wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like it would be pretty hard to draft TOS that prohibit the user from running a program on their own machine that requests, processes, and outputs data on the user's behalf without banning more traditional user agents like web browsers and proxies.

If I remember correctly, Facebook prohibits users from supplying third parties with their Facebook Login credentials for the purpose of that third party logging in on their behalf. Edit: From Section 4(8) of the Facebook TOS [1]: "You will not share your password (or in the case of developers, your secret key), let anyone else access your account, or do anything else that might jeopardize the security of your account…

How does that apply to the suggested workaround of the user running the necessary content scraping on their own machine and pushing the results to Power?

Re: A Man Who Stood Up To Facebook

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Post by hueving »

ZainRiz wrote: post #92
zardo wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've recently started seeing what I can only call christian jihadi propaganda on my newsfeed. The Clintons assassinated Scalia and they are going to force you to renounce God or put you on the cross.

Bro, I'd ask you to not use the word "jihadi" as a slur. The word means one who strives, physically or mentally, for the sake of good. The fact that it's been hijacked by deviant so-called "religious" groups doesn't change what the word really represents. And reinforcing the notion that those deviant groups are jihadis just strengthens the claims of ISIS and Al-Qaida that they're the ones properly following their rel…

It's ways higher than 1%. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jul/...

Almost 1 in 10 supporting savage violence and meaningless destruction.

It's not the poster that made it a slur, it's the insane violence supported by a non-negligible portion of Muslims that made it a slur.

Re: A Man Who Stood Up To Facebook

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Post by hueving »

kefka wrote: post #95
zardo wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've recently started seeing what I can only call christian jihadi propaganda on my newsfeed. The Clintons assassinated Scalia and they are going to force you to renounce God or put you on the cross.

Prevlcisely what ZainRiz said. Jihad is a striving for a good goal. One can have a jihad for school fundraiser. One can jihad for personal weight loss. Or one can jihad for working on an open source project. Yeah, the bad ones use it to support ill gains.

Sure, one can also go around yelling "Sieg Heil" at celebrations, but the phrase has been a little tainted by insane people.
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