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Constraints on the Universe as a Numerical Simulation (2012)

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Re: Constraints on the Universe as a Numerical Simulation (2012)

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What is interesting is if we are the result of an unfathomable number of transistor gates, the consciousness that arises from it would never be able to understand the 'platform' (hardware) that it sits on.. would it? The idea being that you are creating a new dimension that cannot see the dimension that gave rise to it.

I feel like no matter what we are in a 'simulation' where another dimension gave rise to ours whether it was intentional or not.

What dimension is thought in?

Re: Constraints on the Universe as a Numerical Simulation (2012)

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Keep in mind that if you wanted to create a simulated universe you can ensure nobody ever finds out. If someone does find out, you can simply fix the problem and revert to a point in time just before the data leading to the discovery was captured. Speaking academically, you might be playing with fire if you probe the outer limits of the universe and we are in a simulation run by some entity concerned with keeping tha…

> you can simply fix the problem and revert to a point in time just before the data leading to the discovery was captured.

Only with classical computers, not quantum computers.

Re: Constraints on the Universe as a Numerical Simulation (2012)

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What sort of moral issues result from creating a simulation universe that gives rise to sentient beings? I feel creeped out and reminded of Source Code with Jake Gyllenhaal for some reason.

As ever, it depends on your morality.

I mean, plenty of people don't take issue with a lot of things I find reprehensible.

Re: Constraints on the Universe as a Numerical Simulation (2012)

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post #17

What sort of moral issues result from creating a simulation universe that gives rise to sentient beings? I feel creeped out and reminded of Source Code with Jake Gyllenhaal for some reason.

That's assuming sentience is an emergent property of the simulation rather than something else, such as being the ground from which the simulation arises from.

If it's any consolation. It's probably calculating wind patterns or something.

Re: Constraints on the Universe as a Numerical Simulation (2012)

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It kind of irks me that they basically assume a cubic lattice. Nature does not form cubic lattices, when nature forms a lattice (for example, in a foam) it tends to form roughly dodecahedral cells (with coordination number 12). Given this property, a space-time lattice would be very nearly isotropic.

QED. It's not nature, just a cubic simulation of nature. Otherwise known as The Matrix :)

Agreed. We can only get to an estimation of the reality for the real thing is too complex... Until we break through the simulation and end up at the event horizon!

Re: Constraints on the Universe as a Numerical Simulation (2012)

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I would be surprised if we are not living in simulation. Look at superposition and function collapse in quantum physics, it's equivalent to what we are doing in games today = do not render if player is not watching, save resources. Think about it, look for example at GTA V, what we can achieve today and think about how world looked like 100 years ago.

I imagine that in 1000 years from now, simulating world similar to ours will not be a problem at all. Maybe not as complex because every level you go deeper you have less resources at your disposal. Who knows which level deep we are? Maybe we are simulation in simulation in simulation...

Re: Constraints on the Universe as a Numerical Simulation (2012)

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For those, who want to read it in lay man's language, they can go through following articles: https://www.technologyreview.com/s/429561/the-measurement-th... http://www.huffingtonpost.in/entry/physicists-may-have-evide...

Interesting. So we're a simulation that can simulate 15 (femto)meters of cosmos that is indistinguishable from reality. This isn't much but it's still absolutely mind-bending. Reminds me of the movie The 13th Floor [1]

[1] http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0139809/

Re: Constraints on the Universe as a Numerical Simulation (2012)

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Sigh. Why would you dedicate your life to proving this?

You will either find you cannot prove it, in which case you have wasted your entire life on falsehood, or you prove it true in which you undo your dilute your existence and everyone you have ever known and loved.

Kinda like religion I guess...

Re: Constraints on the Universe as a Numerical Simulation (2012)

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The title of the arxiv article is: Constraints on the Universe as a Numerical Simulation

The only time they use the word evidence is in this quote:

__ Therefore, there is a sense in which lattice QCD may be viewed as the nascent science of universe simulation, and, as will be argued in the next paragraph, very basic extrapolation of current lattice QCD resource trends into the future suggest that experimental searches for evidence that our universe is, in fact, a simulation are both interesting and logical.

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