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Re: Facebook Has Repeatedly Trended Fake News Since Firing Its Human Editors

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Post by 551199 » Thu, Oct 13, 2016, 6:42 PM UTC

res0nat0r wrote: post #298

551199 wrote: post #297

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Clinton & Media narrative that Trump is ‘crazy racist’ is completely fabricated[0]. You can find it from the Wikileaks as well. [0] http://blog.dilbert.com/post/146605145036/persuasion-update-...

I have no problem calling Trump a racist thanks to his very first speech in the race calling Mexicans rapists and drug dealers. Followed up by the thoughtful idea of banning all Muslims from entering the USA and that anyone from Syria shouldn't be allowed to enter the country.

Case in Point.

What Trump really said:

"When Mexico sends its people they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you; they’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists, and some, I assume, are good people. But I speak to border guards and they tell us what we’re getting.”[0][1]

There was the time Trump called for a wall to keep illegals out, and social media said securing our borders – which we already try to do – is racist.

There was the time Trump suggested mass deportation of illegal immigrants, and social media said upholding current law is racist.

There was the time Trump suggested banning all Muslim immigrants until we figure out what the risk is, and how to deal with it. Islam is a belief system open to all, not a race, but social media branded it as racist [2]

[0]http://www.salon.com/2015/12/21/the_media_needs_to_stop_tell... [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbyoUb3mp1E [2] http://blog.dilbert.com/post/146605145036/persuasion-update-...

Re: Facebook Has Repeatedly Trended Fake News Since Firing Its Human Editors

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Post by angry-hacker » Thu, Oct 13, 2016, 7:29 PM UTC

ap22213 wrote: post #179

angry-hacker wrote: post #104

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For someone outside of U.S, both right (breitbart etc.) and left (huff etc.) are propaganda all the way down . It is your left bias. And the people on other political spectrum feel the same but other way around. Watching American elections is like seeing a freak show. I don't understand who are those people who can support any of the candidates or the media.

As an outsider, what are some of the things that you find troubling with Clinton? She seems pretty status quo to me.

For me, it is very short: She is a habitual liar. Without any remorse. I really don't understand how a human being can go to these debates, give interviews and ignore that she has psychopathic/sociopathic tendencies.

And no, it doesn't mean that Trump is any better or any worse. It's all bullshit.

Re: Facebook Has Repeatedly Trended Fake News Since Firing Its Human Editors

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Post by popmystack » Thu, Oct 13, 2016, 7:52 PM UTC

ascagnel_ wrote: post #187

jsmith0295 wrote: post #133

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I think that may be true, but only because what is widely considered and presented as fact by the most mainstream sources of information actually have a significant center left bias. I think it's generally missed because people confuse bias as having to do with having a more extreme political position, when you can actually be biased in favor of any part of the political spectrum including the center.

As someone with a left-leaning bias, I agree with your assessment, if only in the sense that the loudest and most powerful voices in the most reputable newsrooms tend to also have (implicit) left-leaning biases. I would love for their to be a conservative equivalent (this was the reason for the founding of Fox News pre-Ailes: get a bunch of conservatives in the newsroom and have them do their jobs to the best of thei…

This is what I agree with, and hence my original sentiment "this seems like a problem conservatives should address."

Re: Facebook Has Repeatedly Trended Fake News Since Firing Its Human Editors

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Post by ap22213 » Thu, Oct 13, 2016, 8:03 PM UTC

ionised wrote: post #255

ap22213 wrote: post #179

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As an outsider, what are some of the things that you find troubling with Clinton? She seems pretty status quo to me.

That is what is troubling.

We managed to get by with status quo for as long as I've been alive (since Regan). It's never perfect, but it's been better than burning it all down (as I hear a lot of people now saying).

Change takes time. If people really want it they'll have to work hard for it for at least the next eight years, regardless.

Re: Facebook Has Repeatedly Trended Fake News Since Firing Its Human Editors

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Post by res0nat0r » Thu, Oct 13, 2016, 8:04 PM UTC

551199 wrote: post #301

res0nat0r wrote: post #298

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I have no problem calling Trump a racist thanks to his very first speech in the race calling Mexicans rapists and drug dealers. Followed up by the thoughtful idea of banning all Muslims from entering the USA and that anyone from Syria shouldn't be allowed to enter the country.

Case in Point. What Trump really said: "When Mexico sends its people they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you; they’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists, and some, I assume, are good people. But I speak to border guards and they tell us what we’re getting.”[0][1…

Lol you just directly quoted him painting every Mexican as a bad person. "and some, I assume, are good people" was said in jest and he doesn't actually mean it. He means all Mexicans coming here are bad for the USA.

Banning an entire religion is bigoted, racist, totally idiotic, call it whatever you like.

You can keep trying with the mental gymnastics to justify what he says, but thankfully the majority of Americans see through it. I'm enjoying the current implosion and fallout of his campaign as each day goes by and am wondering just how bad he is going to lose.

Re: Facebook Has Repeatedly Trended Fake News Since Firing Its Human Editors

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Post by narrator » Thu, Oct 13, 2016, 8:07 PM UTC

unityByFreedom wrote: post #249

TeMPOraL wrote: post #126

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> As near as I can tell, the political process converts ideas from logical propositions into group signaling devices. Once a idea becomes a signal, any question of its truth or falsehood is commonly ignored for several human generations. I love the way you put it; this goes straight into my quotes file. > Keeping ideas that have already become signals quarantined, and minimizing overlap between groups in a context wh…

> it's best to ignore that topic altogether until at least it falls off the news cycle I think it's unfortunate when people stop talking about the issues. You're right, people may have made up their minds, but the debate process is not just practice for the candidates, it's also practice for the public to get to know the issues the country is facing. Of course, it's always up to you what you want to ignore.

Two things cause political discussions to be intractable.

1. Propaganda works really really well. Repetiton of propaganda, being a form of intellectual violence, will get people to believe almost anything. Thus, people who control the channels of repetitive messages delivered to the masses control what people believe.

2. The truth is out there, but due to the Dunning-Kruger effect, people who know the least think they know the most and they focus their energy on the most trivial issues due to bikeshedding. Thus, unless carefully vetted, discussion participants will overwhelmingly be people conditioned by repetition, think they're experts and be drawn to triviality.

In order to side step the nut house, just let people believe whatever they want to believe and charge big bucks for delivering messages, especially repetitivly, that do not easily fit in to the ruts in their cognitive road. That's because each time this is done, a small amount of cognitive violence is occurring to your viewers. Most people aren't intellectual masochists so it will drive them away eventually if done too much.

Re: Facebook Has Repeatedly Trended Fake News Since Firing Its Human Editors

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Post by ap22213 » Thu, Oct 13, 2016, 8:11 PM UTC

angry-hacker wrote: post #302

ap22213 wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an outsider, what are some of the things that you find troubling with Clinton? She seems pretty status quo to me.

For me, it is very short: She is a habitual liar. Without any remorse. I really don't understand how a human being can go to these debates, give interviews and ignore that she has psychopathic/sociopathic tendencies. And no, it doesn't mean that Trump is any better or any worse. It's all bullshit.

I don't see that, personally. But, to each their own.

It's not surprising that you and others people do, though. In the US, there are a lot of politicians who seem 'psycho/sociopathic' to many people. And, there are lots of CEOs like that, too. But, it doesn't prevent those people from leading or being effective.

Re: Facebook Has Repeatedly Trended Fake News Since Firing Its Human Editors

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Post by gregpardo » Thu, Oct 13, 2016, 8:12 PM UTC

I think it's an experiment. A lot of people actually use facebook as their sole source of news... Especially the younger generation. This is quite scary because Facebook's algorithms are actually acting as a filter on top of already existing media filters. Before you know it the chain will be so deep it will be hard to know where anything came from.

Another problem is similar to the reddit problem. Both the AI and your customization can create an atmosphere where you literally get served only opinions you want to hear. I actually think a more random algorithm would be more beneficial than what's trending.

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Post by cmdrfred » Thu, Oct 13, 2016, 8:32 PM UTC

soundwave106 wrote: post #295

cmdrfred wrote: post #292

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>Scandal? Come on, that's not a scandal, that a policy position. That is pretty clearly an endorsement for TPP (other leaks make this connection more obvious[0]). Hillary says she is not in favor of it, this seems to directly contradict that statement. Saying one thing behind closed doors and another in front of the voting public is a scandal to me. [0] http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/12/leaked-email...

It is well known that Hillary Clinton was defending TPP as late as last year (and the "hemispheric common market" comment comes from 2013 -- http://fortune.com/2016/10/11/clinton-wikileaks/ ). It is also well known that Hillary Clinton has sort-of kind-of changed her position in response to the Bernie Sanders left pull. Yes, in my personal opinion it's probably not a strong pull, and Sanders voters who feel strongly…

>But a speech from 2013 when she was openly promoting it doesn't exactly tell too much.

What about emails from last year? Consider that with the 'private position' and 'pubic position' comment and you are a fool if you think she will do anything she claims.

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Post by 551199 » Thu, Oct 13, 2016, 8:47 PM UTC

res0nat0r wrote: post #305

551199 wrote: post #301

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Case in Point. What Trump really said: "When Mexico sends its people they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you; they’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists, and some, I assume, are good people. But I speak to border guards and they tell us what we’re getting.”[0][1…

Lol you just directly quoted him painting every Mexican as a bad person. "and some, I assume, are good people" was said in jest and he doesn't actually mean it. He means all Mexicans coming here are bad for the USA. Banning an entire religion is bigoted, racist, totally idiotic, call it whatever you like. You can keep trying with the mental gymnastics to justify what he says, but thankfully the majority of Americans…

You are being disingenuous.

"You might well dislike Trump’s words. I did. But let’s not make it worse. He did not say that all Mexicans are rapists. Yet that’s what many commentators did. For example, Politico misquoted Trump by omitting his phrase about “good people.” They said he was “demonizing Mexicans as rapists.” They argued that Mexicans do not really commit more rapes in the U.S. than whites. But that’s not what Trump claimed."

"Trump was discussing crimes committed by unauthorized immigrants. Is it true that some people who illegally cross the border from Mexico are good? Yes. Is it true that some others commit crimes? Yes. Is that a problem? People disagree. Some conjecture that unauthorized immigrants don’t commit more crimes than U.S. citizens. But crimes by unauthorized immigrants, even murders, would not have happened if those individuals had not entered the U.S."[0]

[0]http://www.salon.com/2015/12/21/the_media_needs_to_stop_tell...