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The Nobel Prize in Literature 2016 awarded to Bob Dylan

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Re: The Nobel Prize in Literature 2016 awarded to Bob Dylan

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It seems that Haruki Murakami is the Leonardo DiCaprio of Nobel prizes.

What is your favorite book by him? I've only read once thus far. "What I talk about when I talk about running"

Wild Sheep Chase and The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle are also quite good. His tone can vary a lot from book to book, from absurdity (Wild Sheep Chase) to straight up nostalgic, umm, romance(?) (Norwegian Wood).

Re: The Nobel Prize in Literature 2016 awarded to Bob Dylan

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That MusiCares speech is a great read if you have 30 minutes to spare. A few favorite bits: On Dylan's immersion in classic folk: >If you sang "John Henry" as many times as me – "John Henry was a steel-driving man / Died with a hammer in his hand / John Henry said a man ain't nothin' but a man / Before I let that steam drill drive me down / I'll die with that hammer in my hand." If you had sung that song as many time…

>The other half of rock & roll has got to be hillbilly. And that's a derogatory term, but it ought not to be. That's a term that includes the Delmore Bros., Stanley Bros., Roscoe Holcomb, Git Tanner and the Skillet Lickers... groups like that. Moonshine gone berserk. Fast cars on dirt roads. That's the kind of combination that makes up rock & roll, and it can't be cooked up in a science laboratory or a studio. Consid…

I'd encourage you to investigate the link between Clapton and American folk music. I could post links, but I'd just be doing what I'm encouraging you to do - research this a bit.

Re: The Nobel Prize in Literature 2016 awarded to Bob Dylan

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Despite being a massive admirer of Dylan's work, I'm not sure that I'm good with this > for having created new poetic expressions within the great American song tradition There's no doubt he did this, but ... do songs count as literature? I'm not really sure they do, and much as I love the songs, the lyrics by themselves don't have anything like the impact (on me at least) of top-notch poetry

> There's no doubt he did this, but ... do songs count as literature?

Anything with text is potentially literature. The rest is up to the snobbery of the judges.

Re: The Nobel Prize in Literature 2016 awarded to Bob Dylan

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Only sad if you believe that he didn't effect change in teh institution.

Based on current American society and especially the election, I would say he effected no change unfortunately.

In the time since Dylan started signing black people went from having very limited rights to winning a presidential elections. Obviously, there are many more factors than Dylan at play, and establishing causality, or the lack of thereof, is impossible. But, in my opinion, saying that society has not changed would be a big mistake.

Re: The Nobel Prize in Literature 2016 awarded to Bob Dylan

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It seems that Haruki Murakami is the Leonardo DiCaprio of Nobel prizes.

I can't upvote this enough. I have a degree in physics, but even so every year around this time for about the past decade I pay more attention to the literature prize, waiting for him to get recognized. The last chapter of Colorless Tsukuru hit me so hard I cried, and immediately went out of my way to get an autographed copy. His novels have certainly helped me transition into adulthood, and I think he definitely des…

I wish I had a reaction as emotional as yours, but I still understand your sentiment. They're quirky, yet so relatable. Ultimately, Haruki literature resonates with the loneliness felt in the cold, detached 21st-century society.

Re: The Nobel Prize in Literature 2016 awarded to Bob Dylan

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Come writers and critics Who prophesize with your pen And keep your eyes wide The chance won't come again And don't speak too soon For the wheel's still in spin And there's no tellin' who That it's namin' For the loser now Will be later to win For the times they are a-changin'.

The rebel became part of the institution in the end. Somewhat sad if you ask me.

Eh, I don't know unless you are referring to some event I am not familiar with.

Yeah he's not writing protest songs anymore (unless you ask him [1]), but since he went electric, he's been doing what he wants, not what's expected of him. I saw him on tour this year, and it was a strange experience. The performance, song choice, and delivery felt more like he was just doing his music thing and I was paying to watch -- he wasn't trying to entertain me.

[1] I saw a video of this interview, but I can't seem to find it now, so https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protest_songs_in_the_United_St... will have to do. Search for "all my songs"

Re: The Nobel Prize in Literature 2016 awarded to Bob Dylan

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That MusiCares speech is a great read if you have 30 minutes to spare. A few favorite bits: On Dylan's immersion in classic folk: >If you sang "John Henry" as many times as me – "John Henry was a steel-driving man / Died with a hammer in his hand / John Henry said a man ain't nothin' but a man / Before I let that steam drill drive me down / I'll die with that hammer in my hand." If you had sung that song as many time…

>The other half of rock & roll has got to be hillbilly. And that's a derogatory term, but it ought not to be. That's a term that includes the Delmore Bros., Stanley Bros., Roscoe Holcomb, Git Tanner and the Skillet Lickers... groups like that. Moonshine gone berserk. Fast cars on dirt roads. That's the kind of combination that makes up rock & roll, and it can't be cooked up in a science laboratory or a studio. Consid…

Do you like Wilco?

Re: The Nobel Prize in Literature 2016 awarded to Bob Dylan

#139
post #91

It seems that Haruki Murakami is the Leonardo DiCaprio of Nobel prizes.

What is your favorite book by him? I've only read once thus far. "What I talk about when I talk about running"

Wind-up Bird Chronicle is my favorite of his works that I've read.

Re: The Nobel Prize in Literature 2016 awarded to Bob Dylan

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Of course. Current youth generation's pop songs are always bad (mostly). "The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. " - Socrates, circa 470 BC

I believe this quote is apocryphal. AFAIK it's actually quoting a play by Aristophanes that poked fun at Socrates -- a play that put these words in his mouth.

Very possible. The point is merely that lamenting the ways of the youth is a very old phenomenon.
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