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The Nobel Prize in Literature 2016 awarded to Bob Dylan

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Re: The Nobel Prize in Literature 2016 awarded to Bob Dylan

#81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's the second person in history to have an Oscar and a Nobel Prize. The first being George Bernard Shaw.

I believe Al Gore won both a Nobel and Oscar.

I'm a bit confused here.

Was that before or after he invented the Internet?

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By the way, you're a mean person peter303, Al Gore is a nice person.

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Edit: Oh, I spoke too soon. He actually has a Nobel, a Grammy and an Emmy award. That's actually even more impressive than I expected.

Re: The Nobel Prize in Literature 2016 awarded to Bob Dylan

#82
Totally 100% well deserved. Just imagine the 13 year old out there discovering "Masters of War" or "Idiot Wind" for the first time today. Their entire point of view is about to change. Mind upon to hitherto unknowable vistas. Ergo, the absolute benchmark of what Great Literature strives to embody.

Also worth checking out is Dylan's controversial speech upon receiving the the MusiCares Person of the Year 2015 award. I wonder what he'll have to say to the World when he gets to Stockholm ;)

Read Bob Dylan's Complete, Riveting MusiCares Speech

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/read-bob-dylans-compl...

And of course some essential viewing. D.A. Pennebaker's seminal documentary classic Don't Look Back which follows Dylan on his concert tour of the U.K. in 1965.

Inside Criterion's Incredible Restoration of Dylan Doc 'Don't Look Back'

http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news/inside-the-restorati...

And from that timeless English tour, a masterful performance ;)

"It Ain't Me Babe" (Live, 5/7/65 - Free Trade Hall, Manchester, England)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d8o8vNTNao

Re: The Nobel Prize in Literature 2016 awarded to Bob Dylan

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They put coffee in their coffee in Brazil. It suppose it goes without saying, but that meme is some selective criticism.

Of course. Current youth generation's pop songs are always bad (mostly). "The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. " - Socrates, circa 470 BC

It is worth adding that though I agree that songs can be literature, songs also have non-literary elements, which means that songs that are not literature can still be good songs. Here I'm thinking of artists like DJ Shadow or the Beastie Boys, where some other element such as the soundscape or even just the beat carries the music.

I'm not a Bieber fan, but I think it's unfair to judge him strictly by his lyrics. Or Sinatra for that matter.

Re: The Nobel Prize in Literature 2016 awarded to Bob Dylan

#85

Am I the only one who said "Bob Dylan‽"

They must have been talking about Dylan Thomas, whoever he is.

Not sure whether you were referring to an early Paul Simon song here:

"He's so unhip when you say Dylan, he thinks you're talking about Dylan Thomas / Whoever he was" http://genius.com/Simon-and-garfunkel-a-simple-desultory-phi...

Re: The Nobel Prize in Literature 2016 awarded to Bob Dylan

#86
I'm not sure literature would be as highly esteemed if oral history and the bards / singers / poets had not established roots in various cultures as the way to convey large, abstract or emotional things. They're good relatives I think. Writing by the masses is still fairly new in the grand scheme of things. Singing songs to each other, quite a bit longer tradition, from what I can tell looking through some stuff back in uni (including an Early Middle English course).

Re: The Nobel Prize in Literature 2016 awarded to Bob Dylan

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Despite being a massive admirer of Dylan's work, I'm not sure that I'm good with this > for having created new poetic expressions within the great American song tradition There's no doubt he did this, but ... do songs count as literature? I'm not really sure they do, and much as I love the songs, the lyrics by themselves don't have anything like the impact (on me at least) of top-notch poetry

>the lyrics by themselves don't have anything like the impact (on me at least) of top-notch poetry To you they don't, to me and others they do. To the current Nobel committee they did this year. At the end, Nobel prizes are highly subjective and people dependent recognitions - so arguments of the form of X deserves and Y does not are not too meaningful.

> Nobel prizes are highly subjective

Literature and Peace, yes.

Science? No. People will disagree on whether some person who didn't get the price really should have gotten it, but no scientist disputes the value and importance of the work of the people who did get the prize.

In science, perhaps there are people who should have gotten the Nobel prize but they didn't. However, few people would say that the people who did get the prize didn't deserve it.

With Peace and Literature, people do this all the time.

Re: The Nobel Prize in Literature 2016 awarded to Bob Dylan

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Darkness at the break of noon

Shadows even the silver spoon

The handmade blade, the child's balloon

Eclipses both the sun and moon

To understand you know too soon, there is no sense in trying

Pointed threats, they bluff with scorn

Suicide remarks are torn

From the fool's gold mouthpiece the hollow horn

Plays wasted words proves to warn

That he not busy being born is busy dying

Temptation's page flies out the door

You follow, find yourself at war

Watch waterfalls of pity roar

You feel to moan but unlike before

You discover that you'd just be one more person crying

So don't fear if you hear

A foreign sound to your ear

It's alright, Ma, I'm only sighing

Re: The Nobel Prize in Literature 2016 awarded to Bob Dylan

#90

Totally 100% well deserved. Just imagine the 13 year old out there discovering "Masters of War" or "Idiot Wind" for the first time today. Their entire point of view is about to change. Mind upon to hitherto unknowable vistas. Ergo, the absolute benchmark of what Great Literature strives to embody. Also worth checking out is Dylan's controversial speech upon receiving the the MusiCares Person of the Year 2015 award. I…

Also No Direction Home, which encompass and expands on Don't Look Back is equally excellent.
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