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Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by EliRivers »

notyourwork wrote: post #240
EliRivers wrote: post #216

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Real world? You must be aware of real world events in which this sort of thing really has already happened. The ultimate arbiter is reality, and in reality this sort of thing does already happen. We could do it brazenly over the counter, or alternatively I could pay Facebook to act as a consultant; to give me their view of my market. To satisfy the legal chaps, we can just scrape the names off the data and then summa…

Its disappointing that you are trying to counter my question and keep suggesting this happens in the real world all the time with no citation to support it. Lots of illicit things happen should we just shut down the world entirely? Cars kill people so we shouldn't approach the streets. Food can make you ill if supply chains don't handle it properly so we should stop eating. You are suggesting that because people brea…

It's pretty well known that the Chinese walls in banks, designed to prevent some parts of the business illegally using information from other parts of the business, spent much of the approach to the 2008 financial collapse being ignored, and were often used to screw customers over for the purposes of enriching the banks. RBS just got busted for creating subsidiaries and feeding them confidential information for exactly that purpose. It was in the news in the last fortnight.

It's not at all disappointing to me to me that you bleat bullshit about "citation needed" as a defence. It's pretty expected around here; no need to actually do any work, just sit smugly pretending that you're civil and polite. Here we are engaging in yet more bullshit passive aggressiveness, each of us pretending that we're being oh-so-civil and look, look, it's the other one who's wrong, I'm just asking questions.

If you actually wanted to know, you could have found lots of examples yourself. You DON'T want to know, because this isn't about knowing anything. This is about some stranger on the internet disagreeing with your pre-formed opinions (which are pretty unusual around here, actually - the common religion here of free market fundamentalism would take it as read that FB will sell your information to your competitors) and your opportunity to posture and present yourself as reasonable.

So fuck you and fuck me, and fuck this passive-aggressive childishness that goes on around here as petty posturing from smug dickheads like you and like me. If you choose not to believe me, that's fine, but don't you dare suggest that it's my fucking job to educate you. I'm done with this passive-aggressive crap.

"You are suggesting that because people break laws we should not do things. That's not how it works."

No I'm not, and you fucking know it. I'm suggesting that giving your information to FB will lead to other people getting it. That's what I'm suggesting. This junk on the end about cars killing people is your strawman attempt to smugly present yourself as some kind of adult.

Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by pinaceae »

Pamar wrote: post #57
gjolund wrote: post #40

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The last place I want to have work related conversations stored is FB servers.

I work in an European company. I doubt this will get any traction outside of US.

https://workplace.fb.com/stories/#europe

really?

Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by DamnYuppie »

sanderjd wrote: post #162
DamnYuppie wrote: post #24

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I find it hard to believe that people believe Slack started the trend. There have been countless such services in the past. Back in the terrible dark ages of the internet, pre-2000, we used AIM to have those type of discussions. Was very valuable as we had development teams all over the country and was a quick way to determine who the expert was for a given question and get them into a conversation. If it was too cum…

People in "normal" non-techy workplaces are aware of and interested in Slack. Mainstream workplace group messaging in these sorts of organizations (which make up a lot more of the economy than the ones in our bubble) is a fairly new trend, which Slack deserves a lot of credit for. This is a common mistake - the existence of technology is not the same as mainstream adoption.

Are you saying AIM wasn't widely adopted?

Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by nickpsecurity »

notyourwork wrote: post #179
nickpsecurity wrote: post #107

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Yet, each of the major carriers and RSA did it for the NSA in exchange for $30-(80?) million. Happened at plenty of other companies with or without nation state involvement. The big ones are still in business. Besides, what does the EULA say on the product? Their EULA usually says something along the lines of they can do whatever they want with your data. I'm interested to see if anyone sees something similar in the…

I would be interested to diff the user agreement and business agreements.

Me too.

Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by j2bax »

ohnomrbill wrote: post #238
j2bax wrote: post #92

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While I appreciate being informed what does or doesn't make me a fool by internet strangers, I don't think that was the concern of the parent post. I believe their concern was that they would be seeing work related content popup while they were on their personal Facebook account thus mixing work/personal life. I think the point of making it a completely separate account is to ease companies fears of users getting suc…

Nope, the concern of the parent post was that they would link my work and personal profiles behind the scenes. I don't want to see work-related content pop up, but it's a secondary concern. I don't want Facebook to know what I do both when I'm at work and when I'm on personal time, because I don't trust their company.

Sorry for misreading you and making assumptions. Can I ask why you are more concerned about Facebook having your workplace's information than your own personal information? Assuming that your workplace chose to offer their information up to Facebook by subscribing to their service...

Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by eropple »

matwood wrote: post #230
eropple wrote: post #195

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I don't agree with that at all. I am a consultant. I see lots of companies. I see lots of companies jumping on the "plug our employees 24/7 into everything" bandwagon. Slack has a moral obligation--we all have the moral obligation--to not be the stooge of bad actors just as it works to improve the productivity of good ones. If Slack took this seriously, it would do significantly more to protect its users from toxic b…

> For example: it is possible to ignore people's do-not-disturb settings (added relatively recently, after a long period of asking) to force their phone to blow up at four in the morning. How is this any different than someone calling you at 4am? Or sending a bunch of emails? This has nothing to do with Slack and everything to do with a bad company.

The context of email, in my experience, is that "you'll get the email when you see it." Slack's ephemera, the social contract that it encourages, is "you are on all the time." It is an asynchronous communication tool that it tries to convince its users is synchronous, and if you aren't using it in a synchronous manner (as I don't, for the most part), you are breaking that perceived illusion. You are not being a Team Player.

There is a significantly different social implication to clicking the "fuck your do-not-disturb settings" link and calling you. (I would argue that the former should be worse, but it isn't, ever.) Ephemera matters. Context matter. Slack creates a bad context. They own that.

Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by linkregister »

bogomipz wrote: post #165
linkregister wrote: post #47

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I appreciate your links to articles about espionage activities with corporate targets. None of them mention any examples of economic benefit, due or undue. The infamous Petrobras espionage that was implied because it appeared in a slide in a training presentation is a great example of justified espionage (if it occurred; it probably occurred). Less than 2 years later, Petrobras was implicated in massive corruption sc…

>"The infamous Petrobras espionage that was implied because it appeared in a slide in a training presentation ..." This is interesting, I hadn't heard of this, are there any links to the slide?

Yeah, they're on The Guardian from when before Greenwald turned the leaks into his The Intercept venture [1]. It was one of the documents in the 2nd round of leaks about a month or so after the original PRISM and phone metadata. This presentation was the first evidence that the United States spied on State Owned Enterprises (SOEs) in addition to foreign governments.

The presentation was for analyst training, and the Petrobras intrusion was nonchalantly used as an example.

If you're just getting into learning about the Snowden leaks and NSA network exploitation, I would suggest starting from the beginning in 2013, checking out the original The Guardian articles and the NYT and Washington Post ones. Der Spiegel also received one or two leaks as well; the articles were written by Jacob Appelbaum and are fairly thorough. The Guardian and Der Spiegel articles are heavily editorialized and jump to some conclusions that were later discounted, but overall the reporting is decent.

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/09/nsa-spying-bra...

Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by M_Grey »

lunula wrote: post #233
M_Grey wrote: post #56

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I think people have largely gotten the message that companies which thrive on collecting and selling user data, are poison to be avoided at all costs.

But that message has translated to precisely zero actual change in habit.

Have you seen how many people use ad blockers? I'm finding people on Reddit and Imgur who talk about using NoScript and uMatrix! People are learning, but as with all things, it takes time.

Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by notyourwork »

EliRivers wrote: post #241
notyourwork wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its disappointing that you are trying to counter my question and keep suggesting this happens in the real world all the time with no citation to support it. Lots of illicit things happen should we just shut down the world entirely? Cars kill people so we shouldn't approach the streets. Food can make you ill if supply chains don't handle it properly so we should stop eating. You are suggesting that because people brea…

It's pretty well known that the Chinese walls in banks, designed to prevent some parts of the business illegally using information from other parts of the business, spent much of the approach to the 2008 financial collapse being ignored, and were often used to screw customers over for the purposes of enriching the banks. RBS just got busted for creating subsidiaries and feeding them confidential information for exact…

All I was trying to do is have a mature conversation and asked for a reference to better inform myself. Sorry for trying to be an adult. Grow up.

Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by linkregister »

meira wrote: post #48
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #41

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The American surveillance infrastructure was deployed, allegedly for corporate espionage, against targets in France [1], Germany and Brazil [2]. The IMF, the World Bank and the EU antitrust commissioner, amongst others, were likely targeted to help politically-connected companies [3]. [1] http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/wikileaks-enthuellung-... [2] https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150629/16134031494/nsa-d..…

Yep, here in Brazil digital info was used to "softly" overthrow a government. I don't think it can get any worse, only easy and more common.

Are you implying that the United States is behind the recent Dilma Rousseff ouster? This notion is fascinating and I want to hear more!
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