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Re: Dash developer's response to Apple's response

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Post by eridius »

Mithaldu wrote: post #41
eridius wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kapeli did not commit fraud. But that does not mean Apple was incorrect in linking the two accounts. In fact, 20 seconds into the call, the Apple rep says > We don't believe that there was a mistake here, right. We don't think that we made a mistake. So no, Apple is very explicitly saying they were not in error.

They're saying they think they did not make an error. That's entirely separate from what happened in reality. Besides, even if they say they think it, that might just as well be rethoric.

Rhetoric? They make it very clear in the call that they believe their view is an accurate representation of reality. Maybe you should actually listen to the call.

Re: Dash developer's response to Apple's response

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Post by Mithaldu »

IBM wrote: post #47
Mithaldu wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple representative states there was no wrongdoing on Kapeli's side. Absent any wrongdoing on his side the termination is in error. Additionally they made the error of not contacting the holders of all accounts involved.

The Apple representative told him he doesn't need to admit to any wrongdoing which is different from saying they believe there was no wrongdoing on Kapeli's part.

It does not matter what they think or believe. They admit to certain facts being reality and that's all that matters.

Re: Dash developer's response to Apple's response

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Post by Spooky23 »

rhapsodic wrote: post #23

After listening to the call recording, I can't see how Apple was being all that unreasonable with the guy. I suspect that his recording and posting audio of that call is going to blow up in his face. Especially if he broke any laws by doing it.

Undisclosed call recording is a really bad idea.

Re: Dash developer's response to Apple's response

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Post by Mithaldu »

eridius wrote: post #51
Mithaldu wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're saying they think they did not make an error. That's entirely separate from what happened in reality. Besides, even if they say they think it, that might just as well be rethoric.

Rhetoric? They make it very clear in the call that they believe their view is an accurate representation of reality. Maybe you should actually listen to the call.

It's rethoric because their stated beliefs clash with the facts of reality they admit to in that call.

Re: Dash developer's response to Apple's response

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Post by 0x0 »

wvenable wrote: post #19

This is the first I've ever heard of the concept of "linked" Apple developer accounts. I suspect most people won't come across this particular issue but it's just another fun app store concept.

It's particularly interesting to see that they are cross-checking registered test device UDIDs across developer accounts.

Suddenly UDIDs need to be kept confidential, or a fraudster might add a high profile developer's UDID to their own developer account and then drive it into the ground.

Doing iOS consultancy work for other people's dev accounts could also be more risky than expected now if you use your personal test devices there.

Remember also that there are probably thousands of third party databases out there linking millions of UDIDs with real world identities, as it is only in the last few iOS versions that the device uniqueIdentifier API started returning blanks. Earlier, many apps and adtracking libraries almost certainly would include the UDID in server calls during login etc.

Re: Dash developer's response to Apple's response

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Post by eridius »

pkamb wrote: post #46

According to his blog post, the developer sent his blog draft to Apple and hadn't yet heard back. He then today refreshes Loop Insight / iMore and reads "According to Apple, all attempts to work with the developer have failed". Was the press release really Apple's answer to the blog draft? Was it meant to torpedo the ongoing "blog negotiation", or independent of it?

I'm assuming it was completely independent. And when they said attempts failed, this was before the account was terminated. It's not referring to any communication with the developer post-termination.

Re: Dash developer's response to Apple's response

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Post by Mithaldu »

Spooky23 wrote: post #50
jbob2000 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did we read the same article? He used his credit card to pay for a friend's developer account and gave her one of his old devices to test on. Though he didn't mention it (sticking to facts) it looks like he was teaching someone how to make an iOS app and provided a bit of charity.

...and mysteriously, this friend spontaneously began posting fraudulent reviews relating to this guy's app? Sounds like bullshit to me.

They didn't relate to Kapeli's app at all, other than that the account on which they were made was created by his credit card and on an old machine he gave away.

Re: Dash developer's response to Apple's response

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Post by eridius »

Mithaldu wrote: post #54
eridius wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rhetoric? They make it very clear in the call that they believe their view is an accurate representation of reality. Maybe you should actually listen to the call.

It's rethoric because their stated beliefs clash with the facts of reality they admit to in that call.

That doesn't make any sense. Are you saying that Apple admits to certain beliefs, and to certain facts that contradict those beliefs, in the same call? Because I'm pretty sure they don't. They explain that the accounts were linked and that they don't think they made a mistake in linking those accounts. And they offered the developer a way to unlink the accounts and restore his account without the developer having to admit to wrongdoing. But nobody seems to be disputing that the second account was engaged in fraud, and Apple gave some perfectly reasonable reasons for the two accounts to have been linked.

Re: Dash developer's response to Apple's response

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Post by jbob2000 »

foota wrote: post #36
jbob2000 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did we read the same article? He used his credit card to pay for a friend's developer account and gave her one of his old devices to test on. Though he didn't mention it (sticking to facts) it looks like he was teaching someone how to make an iOS app and provided a bit of charity.

The question is why was that account involved in review manipulation

Because he skipped the lesson about Apple having automated systems to catch review manipulators. So this newbie developer had some marketer friend whisper in her ear, "hey you can hire these guys to promote your shitty little food app, it's like $200 and I know someone who did it and made a billion dollars"

Re: Dash developer's response to Apple's response

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Post by smackfu »

metrognome wrote: post #45
Mithaldu wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple representative states there was no wrongdoing on Kapeli's side. Absent any wrongdoing on his side the termination is in error. Additionally they made the error of not contacting the holders of all accounts involved.

The Apple representative also stated that the accounts were the same legal entity (due to the accounts being based on the same bank account). I don't think it's necessarily an error for them not to contact all involved accounts if they share something as private as a bank account.

In a lot of countries, bank account is just the standard way of paying for everything.
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