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Re: FreeBSD 11.0 Now Available

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Post by tete » Mon, Oct 10, 2016, 10:48 PM UTC

aphextron wrote: post #39

Does anyone know if FreeBSD supports PHP-FPM 7+? I'm so ready to drop Ubuntu if so

Yes. Running a setup with many production grade (ie people making their living off of those) WordPress installations on latest php7 and latest mariadb on it.

Using Poudriere so everything uses the latest packages there.

Poudriere is a charm to use so you really wanna do that.

Re: FreeBSD 11.0 Now Available

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Post by qwertyuiop924 » Mon, Oct 10, 2016, 10:55 PM UTC

tete wrote: post #60

qwertyuiop924 wrote: post #59

Have they fixed the remnants of the update security hole? I haven't been keeping up, so they might have done that already, but I thought I'd ask.

Yes. They fixed the theoretical stuff and the things where you'd have required to be root anyway.

Oh, good.

Re: FreeBSD 11.0 Now Available

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Post by RJIb8RBYxzAMX9u » Mon, Oct 10, 2016, 11:04 PM UTC

djsumdog wrote: post #35

oskarth wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, nice. Do you know how straightforward it is to get it with ZFS?

Even the last release supports full ZFS+encryption with the default installer.

This is still geli+zfs, and not native zfs encryption that was recently presented in OpenZFS Developer Summit [0].

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frnLiXclAMo

Re: FreeBSD 11.0 Now Available

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Post by citrin_ru » Mon, Oct 10, 2016, 11:18 PM UTC

lucaspiller wrote: post #31

nickysielicki wrote: post #3

A couple things HN users might be excited about: * Docker via ZFS and jails (...running Linux x84-64 binaries): https://wiki.freebsd.org/Docker --- (See also, https://github.com/3ofcoins/jetpack ) * Add support for trackpads found in Apple MacBook products: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revision&revision=26126... * CloudABI executable support: https://nuxi.nl/cloudabi/freebsd/ This is an awesome release.

Is anyone using FreeBSD on their development machine? Are there any gotchas compared to Linux?

I use 11-rc on Thinkpad X220. Compare to Linux I miss a lot native Dropbox client (Currently I use rclone, but it is not convenient: sync dropbox->local, change, sync local->dropbox). Skype probably will work via Linux emulation, but I haven't tried yet.

Update: also almost all closed source products are not available for FreeBSD, e. g. I'd like to try Jetbrains CLion - it has version for Linux, but not for FreeBSD.

Re: FreeBSD 11.0 Now Available

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Post by gkya » Mon, Oct 10, 2016, 11:23 PM UTC

lorenzfx wrote: post #57

gkya wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No suspend/hibernate (suspend is available, but fiddly and does not work with X). Apart from that I've been quite happy to this day since last January when I moved to FreeBSD. Though I intend to check-out OpenBSD when I'll have time, as AFAIK it is more laptop-friendly (has working suspend and/or hibernate). The BSD land is better than any linux distro with its docs and community, and the OSes are really clean and we…

Really depends on your machine. Suspend (and wakeup!) works great on my Lenovo X220, no fiddling needed at all.

With X? Because the docs themselves say it doesn't work well with X [1]. Would you mind sharing your relevant config?

[1] https://wiki.freebsd.org/SuspendResume

Re: FreeBSD 11.0 Now Available

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Post by elcritch » Mon, Oct 10, 2016, 11:24 PM UTC

2trill2spill wrote: post #15

> A kernel panic triggered when destroying a vnet(9) jail(8) configured with gif(4) has been fixed. [r271917] > A kernel panic triggered when destroying a vnet(9) jail(8) configured with gre(4) has been fixed. [r271918] I see they fixed the kernel panics when destroying vnet jails but is vnet enabled by default? Or do I have to compile a custom kernel like with FreeBSD 10.x

I started using SmartOS partly because it has really nice VNIC support and you don't have to recompile the 10.x FreeBSD kernels. :-) It'd be good to know if 11.0 changed that.

Re: FreeBSD 11.0 Now Available

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Post by cm3 » Mon, Oct 10, 2016, 11:42 PM UTC

floatboth wrote: post #48

nickysielicki wrote: post #3

A couple things HN users might be excited about: * Docker via ZFS and jails (...running Linux x84-64 binaries): https://wiki.freebsd.org/Docker --- (See also, https://github.com/3ofcoins/jetpack ) * Add support for trackpads found in Apple MacBook products: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revision&revision=26126... * CloudABI executable support: https://nuxi.nl/cloudabi/freebsd/ This is an awesome release.

CloudABI deserves more attention and support. One binary format for multiple unix-like systems. That also enforces sandboxing. Why aren't we using it for everything yet?

> Why aren't we using it for everything yet?

There are some features which are so far exclusive to FreeBSD but go under the radar of the wider community of developers. In addition to CloudABI, Capsicum is another one, which, while not perfect, seems largely ignored/unused/reinvented outside FreeBSD. The LLVM-based base system is another one, which is partially matched by Bitrig. FreeBSD needs to market their features better, like pledge(2), libressl or systemd or docker are doing it.

Re: FreeBSD 11.0 Now Available

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Post by kev009 » Mon, Oct 10, 2016, 11:46 PM UTC

tete wrote: post #23

I think the highlights don't mention the release's best bits. The full release notes are way larger and it really depends on what you do, what you might consider the most interesting part. Also I am happy to see a bunch of "Sponsored by..." Netflix, Yandex, NGINX Inc, Netgate, Citrix, Juniper Networks, Microsoft, Dell, Multiplay, ScaleEngine, etc. in there. https://www.freebsd.org/releases/11.0R/relnotes.html

As a full time developer, you are correct that the relnotes don't capture all the great stuff. It is difficult to keep track of all that is going on. The only way I know how is to continuously read the commit logs. But distilling that down into a useful document for end users is quite hard, especially retroactively.

I will say that the release has non-trivial improvements in TCP performance (Mike Karels, Matt Macy, Netflix crew).

VNET jails also should be safe to tear down, and SysV SHM can be jailed/virtualized which should be interesting to many users.

Re: FreeBSD 11.0 Now Available

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Post by voltagex_ » Mon, Oct 10, 2016, 11:46 PM UTC

I've got a 10.3 system that's running a "custom" kernel with VNET enabled for my iocage jails. What am I in for when I upgrade? How do I keep my ZFS pool safe through the upgrade?

Re: FreeBSD 11.0 Now Available

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Post by loeg » Mon, Oct 10, 2016, 11:48 PM UTC

citrin_ru wrote: post #64

lucaspiller wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is anyone using FreeBSD on their development machine? Are there any gotchas compared to Linux?

I use 11-rc on Thinkpad X220. Compare to Linux I miss a lot native Dropbox client (Currently I use rclone, but it is not convenient: sync dropbox->local, change, sync local->dropbox). Skype probably will work via Linux emulation, but I haven't tried yet. Update: also almost all closed source products are not available for FreeBSD, e. g. I'd like to try Jetbrains CLion - it has version for Linux, but not for FreeBSD.

Linux emulation works pretty well.