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Re: Another replacement Samsung Galaxy Note 7 has caught fire

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Post by qb45 »

laurentdc wrote: post #24
sschueller wrote: post #9

I wonder if this is the reason: "I inspected the kernel source code. Samsung charges the note 7 battery at just over 4.35v Older models have 4.35v batteries but only charge to 4.3v. If you put a generic 4.2v lithium ion battery in, they survive 4.3v with a reduction in charge cycles but anything above that causes formation of metallic lithium dendrites, a non reversible process that eventually causes a fire. This pol…

That sound weird, a 0.05V fluctuation should be well within tolerance. Otherwise there'd be plenty of phones blowing up out of nowhere due to glitches or random overshoots from the charging circuitry.

Your argument would be valid if they all exploded neatly when reaching 100% charge, not when there actually is "plenty of phones blowing up out of nowhere".

Re: Another replacement Samsung Galaxy Note 7 has caught fire

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Post by abysmallyideal »

simonh wrote: post #40
abysmallyideal wrote: post #34

Even with the coincidence of Pixel release and Samsung having problems with their batteries which hints with high probability the occurrence of corporate sabotage, the way Samsung has been trying to deal with this is appalling.

Tosh. Both Samsung and Google time their releases around the iPhone release and Thanksgiving and Christmas so the timing is completely natural. The fact is Samsung rushed the phone to production and pushed the engineering beyond their capability in order to try and get ahead of the competition. They blew it badly and are now bungling the aftermath. Or is their ridiculously crack-handed and borderline criminal handlin…

Hahaha nope, the US is desperate to continue its dominance over the market to sustain their surveillance apparatus and will deal with anyone, company and org that attempts to prevent their surveillance capabilities in a highly aggressive manner.

They just sabotaged the phone manufacturing process to create room for Googles Pixel and Apple. Samsung is just incapable of handling the level of sabotage that was dealt against them.

This is just part for the course for the US, and I'm a bit surprised Samsung is this negligent in preparing for these types of actions that were highly suspected for a while.

Edit: for background for those other than the fanboys and tech bros, corporate sabotage is such a norm in American business the FBI has an entire division dedicated to investigating it, as do military intelligence for companies involved in military contracts. SpaceX and ULA is one such example where military intelligence is involved in investigating corporate sabotage.

Many major companies have teams and processes for this purpose.

As for Samsung, they seem to have picked up extremely bad business habits, and themselves are also known to participate in sabotaging their competitors as stated by other Koreans unfortunate enough to challenge them.

Re: Another replacement Samsung Galaxy Note 7 has caught fire

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Post by offa »

on_and_off wrote: post #30
kyriakos wrote: post #11

This problem (+ the fact that it still hasn't been fixed) and the pricing of recent big-brand models makes me consider buying from Chinese manufacturers suchs a Xiaomi, OnePlus etc

the Pixel look really sweet if you can justify it : -awesome camera. I already have remarked with the 6P that having a reliable camera that is always in your pocket is really a big plus and something I do not want to give up. - performances & industrial design : Google spent a lot of efforts on the Pixels & 7.1 and it shows. Each micro stutter on a device annoys me since I spend a lot of time polishing how my apps ru…

OnePlus 3 doesn't require invites to buy outright though (unlike 1 and 2).

Re: Another replacement Samsung Galaxy Note 7 has caught fire

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Post by on_and_off »

offa wrote: post #44
on_and_off wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the Pixel look really sweet if you can justify it : -awesome camera. I already have remarked with the 6P that having a reliable camera that is always in your pocket is really a big plus and something I do not want to give up. - performances & industrial design : Google spent a lot of efforts on the Pixels & 7.1 and it shows. Each micro stutter on a device annoys me since I spend a lot of time polishing how my apps ru…

OnePlus 3 doesn't require invites to buy outright though (unlike 1 and 2).

Thanks, good to know. This practice still leaves me a really sour taste though.

Re: Another replacement Samsung Galaxy Note 7 has caught fire

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Post by fsloth »

abysmallyideal wrote: post #36
_0w8t wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lithium batteries are very sensitive to the charging process. It could be that Samsung tried to optimize that and it worked in a lab. But when they produce millions of phones some devices just by chance will be outside the very tight safety margins.

Meh, it is too close to the rise of Goole as smartphone fab, the competition between Qualcomm and Samsung processors and the rise of Chinese fabs trying to enter the western markets. Their adversaries are very dangerous and I wouldn't be surprised if they have to disassemble a huge amount of their production to find the error. I still remember that Facebook Executive mysteriously jumping planes after the Koreans refu…

So your theory is that this is the result of industrial sabotage facilitated by a government?

Given that three letter agencies have assisted in industrial espionage in the past and industrial facilities have been damaged through remote exploits (iran's uranium centrifuges were targeted with a virus if I recall correctly) it certainly is not impossible.

However, we are discussing lots of sensitive batteries so problems in the errors of margin in manufacture or operations is a simpler explanation.

Re: Another replacement Samsung Galaxy Note 7 has caught fire

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Post by jagermo »

venomsnake wrote: post #21
kyriakos wrote: post #11

This problem (+ the fact that it still hasn't been fixed) and the pricing of recent big-brand models makes me consider buying from Chinese manufacturers suchs a Xiaomi, OnePlus etc

Oneplus 3 is a gem. Probably the best android right now.

Like the pixel it does not support SD cards. That is a no go for me.

Re: Another replacement Samsung Galaxy Note 7 has caught fire

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Post by on_and_off »

oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #35
on_and_off wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the Pixel look really sweet if you can justify it : -awesome camera. I already have remarked with the 6P that having a reliable camera that is always in your pocket is really a big plus and something I do not want to give up. - performances & industrial design : Google spent a lot of efforts on the Pixels & 7.1 and it shows. Each micro stutter on a device annoys me since I spend a lot of time polishing how my apps ru…

The pixel looks good, but it's so expensive. Is it really offering twice as much as the 6p?

So, I am probably biased : - as I said earlier, I spend a lot of time polishing the app I develop, so I tend to really appreciate a device with impeccable performances. I doubt that normal buyers focus that much on performances even though I think it is a very important aspect of a device. It is not just a matter of looking good, fluid animations are always a very important cue allowing to relay what is happening in the app. They don't work if you miss half the frames.

-my company will probably buy me a Pixel, so I don't really know whether I would buy one.

Off the top of my head, my issues with the 6P / things the Pixel can potentially do better : -Just a bit too big. I love the size of that screen, but I often mistype and I think it might be related to its size. Even the biggest Pixel is a bit smaller, so I am curious to see if it sits in the right spot for me.

-Performances are unimpressive. Previous generations of Android devices showed each time a big leap in real world performances. Not that much with the 6P. It does not perform that badly but there are numerous micro hiccups. It looks like performances have plateaued in its generation. I am not sure how the pixel performs in that area (I am waiting for some real reviews for that) but it looks like some things like touch latency seems to have improved a lot with this phone. I am not sure how much of this will transfer to the 6P when it gets 7.1 though.

-Better industrial design with the pixel.

-Again, I think that a really good camera in your pocket is pretty important. The 6P is already pretty good in that regard. It is a bit slow to compose these HDR+ shots though. From the DxoMark test (https://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/Pixel-smartphone-camera-revi...), it looks like the pixel solves this. On top of that, unlimited storage in original quality is also something I really appreciate.

So, is the pixel a better device ? it surely looks that way. Is it worth buying over the 6P (or even a Moto G) ? I don't know. It really depends on what you want, what you can afford (and are ready to spend) and how costly the device is in your region (especially with carrier subsidies).

Re: Another replacement Samsung Galaxy Note 7 has caught fire

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Post by kyriakos »

notyourwork wrote: post #19
kyriakos wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, this is part of my point. If the big brands manufacturing under stricter regulations still face the same problems then why pay the premium?

Why not say that or at least add that to your post in the first place/

I thought it was self explanatory. I guess it wasn't.
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