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RethinkDB, SageMath, Andreessen-Horowitz, Basecamp and Open Source Software

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Re: RethinkDB, SageMath, Andreessen-Horowitz, Basecamp and Open Source Software

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Post by tiglionabbit »

swsieber wrote: post #11
tiglionabbit wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What differentiates Vue from all the other client rendering libraries out there? (Angular, Polymer, React, Ember, Knockout, etc). At first glance it looks kinda like Knockout.

It seems like a full framework, easy to start with, yet doesn't feel bloated or confusing (personal opinon). Here's an obviously biased (obvious biased since it's from the creator of vue himself), yet pretty good comparison: https://vuejs.org/guide/comparison.html

Thanks for the link. Interesting. Seems it supports an angular/knockout-like template syntax by default, but allows you to drop down to the virtual dom layer or even use JSX if you want to. Also it has knockout-style computed properties which may be why it outperforms React. This may go nicely with something like RxJS, so maybe I should try it out with Horizon after all.

Re: RethinkDB, SageMath, Andreessen-Horowitz, Basecamp and Open Source Software

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Post by tiglionabbit »

bdcravens wrote: post #33
tiglionabbit wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What differentiates Vue from all the other client rendering libraries out there? (Angular, Polymer, React, Ember, Knockout, etc). At first glance it looks kinda like Knockout.

As I understand it (mostly from hearing Evan on various podcasts), it's essentially the simplicity of Angular 1 from a development perspective, with a React-like architecture.

Plus the computed properties system from knockout. Yeah, it looks like a nice mashup of everything out there.

Re: RethinkDB, SageMath, Andreessen-Horowitz, Basecamp and Open Source Software

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Post by davidbanham »

pan69 wrote: post #47
paulsutter wrote: post #4

To understand what happened to RethinkDB, you want to contrast it with MongoDB. RethinkDB is amazing software and a real breakthrough. And the audience of deep thinking people who can really leverage the event model is ... limited. Today. MongoDB is no breakthrough, but there are legions of people who just want to plug something together with PHP or Node. Given what they're doing, it works fine. I sincerely hope Reth…

Just going out on a limb here, and I know neither MongoDB or RethinkDB (nor the companies behind them) very well. But, from what you're saying it almost sounds like that RethinkDB would be a great companion to MongoDB. And if so, that the company behind MongoDB might be a great custodian for RethinkDB.

That thought fills me with dread. Rethink is well engineered and has a great developer experience. Mongo isn't and doesn't.

Re: RethinkDB, SageMath, Andreessen-Horowitz, Basecamp and Open Source Software

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Post by tracker1 »

timclemans206 wrote: post #2

The open source project that has really stood out to me in terms of funding is vuejs.org who's funding is almost entirely public at https://www.patreon.com/evanyou In the case of RethinkDB I wish they had started Horizon much sooner. Having plugins like for Stripe will make Horizon usable in the real world. I certainly like the goal set for Horizon that it be easy to extend a Horizon app by embedding it in a Node app…

I think they also could of, as a flat fee structure, with listed consulting fee rates, could have done what compose.io does just for RethinkDB, as well as a SaaS model for cloud-ready instances on a handful of popular cloud platforms.

That may have taken away from the core development, but may have been a better case than some of the bits they did with Horizon, which does look interesting to say the least.

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Post by meira »

paulsutter wrote: post #4

To understand what happened to RethinkDB, you want to contrast it with MongoDB. RethinkDB is amazing software and a real breakthrough. And the audience of deep thinking people who can really leverage the event model is ... limited. Today. MongoDB is no breakthrough, but there are legions of people who just want to plug something together with PHP or Node. Given what they're doing, it works fine. I sincerely hope Reth…

MongoDB was much more breakthrough than this little thing called rethinkdb. Hell, people even create the term NoSQL because of it. Maybe the failure of this project came from this dellusional thinking I keep reading in all posts about their failure.

Re: RethinkDB, SageMath, Andreessen-Horowitz, Basecamp and Open Source Software

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Post by tracker1 »

anindha wrote: post #8

Other successful companies have used this business model. Mobile is the most common use case for a real-time DB. They didn't provide good iOS and Android integration. Technically Rethink is superior to Firebase, but Firebase is more successful.

I'm pretty sure Horizon was meant to fill that niche, though my first look at Firebase had me cringing a little as some of the security model wasn't clear at all, and I am still apprehensive about not having a translation layer between your db and deployed apps that you control.

Re: RethinkDB, SageMath, Andreessen-Horowitz, Basecamp and Open Source Software

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Post by thesmallestcat »

rdtsc wrote: post #16

It seems new users and people who saw the ease of querying, distribution, good docs, solid architecture jumped on board. Lots of HN articles were written. The technology is really solid. Come to think of it, don't recall seeing a single negative RocksDB article on HN, ever. However databases are hard and they are a bit like operating systems. They are so important that people expect them to have a long track record o…

I'm confused, where does RocksDB come into this? Typo?

Re: RethinkDB, SageMath, Andreessen-Horowitz, Basecamp and Open Source Software

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Post by tracker1 »

rebelidealist wrote: post #32

Why didn't rethinkdb offer a paid scaleable hosted solution similar to Amazon RDS? Seems like a straightforward business model.

Agreed... I think compose.io's pricing model left plenty of room to compete directly in that space. I would have loved to have had that option a couple years ago.

Re: RethinkDB, SageMath, Andreessen-Horowitz, Basecamp and Open Source Software

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Post by ben_jones »

timclemans206 wrote: post #2

The open source project that has really stood out to me in terms of funding is vuejs.org who's funding is almost entirely public at https://www.patreon.com/evanyou In the case of RethinkDB I wish they had started Horizon much sooner. Having plugins like for Stripe will make Horizon usable in the real world. I certainly like the goal set for Horizon that it be easy to extend a Horizon app by embedding it in a Node app…

There seem to be a lot of "thin-server" type frameworks that are meant to bridge between the database and client, typically injecting basic authentication and user management.

If the goal is to create a 0-backend firebase like interface why can't this become a module of the database? Not to harp on the project, it seems cool, but I'm genuinely curious what no DBMS bother to try.

Re: RethinkDB, SageMath, Andreessen-Horowitz, Basecamp and Open Source Software

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Post by dmitrig01 »

bmodeldotcom wrote: post #44

The business model that the SageMath guy failed to consider was the "Money at the End of the Rainbow" model used by Spring, JBoss and MySQL. His comment about licensing was also interesting: "At a bare minimum, I think they must switch to a very liberal license (Apache instead of AGPL)"

Could you elaborate on what "Money at the End of the Rainbow" business model is? Thanks!
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