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Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Post by existencebox »

School-Cotton wrote: post #310
NhanH wrote: post #107

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> So the real rule when looking for new jobs is to avoid places where they hire first and do allocations later, as your picture of what the company is at interview time might be completely different than what you'll find on day one. Oh hey that's actually a whole lot of big corps ... most prominently Google, isn't it?

Facebook is like this as well, but I very strongly disagree that it's a negative.

MSFT did this as well (at least for my hiring) and I found it to be negative, largely due to many reorgs shortly after hiring/being in a side of the company only peripherally related to what information I had going in. (ended up making friends on the team I'm still getting coffee with even today and the team ended up turning out fine from a career/productivity standpoint, but I likely would have taken a competing offer at the time had I known the work I'd actually been doing)

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Post by oneweekwonder »

redler wrote: post #274
thedufer wrote: post #123

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My experience was that they refused to even talk money before doing team matching. This was less than a year ago; maybe things have changed?

That's such a strange approach. The've marked you as a "hire" but not even discussed a range? Given how long this process sometimes takes, and that good people will have multiple offers (and typically an already comfortable income), how is one supposed to make a career decision?

duh it's google/facebook/etc...

If you are willing to make the fanatic choice; your the employee they want. They might be missing out on a lot of talent in the industry. But they do weed the candidates down to fanatics.

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Post by internaut »

taneq wrote: post #82
matt4077 wrote: post #19

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You remind me of that old joke: When a girl fails in math class, it's "women are bad at math". When a guy fails, it's "John is really stupid".

But when someone says "diversity is automatically good so we'll form a maths class with mostly women" and that maths class gets poor grades, it doesn't help further the notion that "more women equals better performance".

I think this applies in reverse as well.

When I see a woman running an organization that believes in inequality as a prerequisite (I'm right wing and I can say that without qualification), here I'll use the Tories in the UK, then if I see a Margaret Thatcher or a Theresa May, then I know they have the right stuff.

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Post by ad-hominem »

roninb wrote: post #198
ceejayoz wrote: post #146

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> I wouldn't treat a Vox article as evidence that something is true. > Worth reading this tweet storm... LOL.

I usually wouldn't agree with this because plenty of experts have twitter accounts that are more reliable and accurate than text books in their field. That said, this account doesn't seem to have any provable credentials associated with it and lacks even a first and last name...

Ad-hominem. If the account is linking to real scientific studies, then you should read them and judge the points based on their merit, not who is pronouncing them.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Post by Grishnakh »

bitL wrote: post #220
wattt wrote: post #130

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FTFY: the PERSON you go to lunch with...

You guys should really fix English language. As a non-native speaker whose native language allows properly expressing gender anytime, I find this funny, being downvoted for what is a structural problem of your language :-D

Does your language allow referring to a person while leaving their gender unspecified? If not, your language is deficient.

All the mainstream European languages I've seen (Germanic and Romance) don't seem to have this capability at all, and it's a big deficiency. Formal English doesn't have it either, but colloquially we've evolved it, using "they" (which of course is bad because it's supposed to be used for referring to people in the plural sense, not singular).

So don't complain about a language having structural problems if yours isn't any better.

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Post by gspetr »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #208
frankc wrote: post #202

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If it went from 20% men to 80% men in a short period of time...no.

But should she be ousted and a new (male) boss installed and it goes back to 80% men, then all would be well and normal? No laptop outrage then. I'm not suggesting that the change was a statistical fluke. I'm suggesting that maybe in this case some women at Yahoo! were better management candidates than some of the men . In a ratio that's large but not unprecedented. Look at the rations found in other companies - so o…

Those companies still exist and are profitable, are they not?

Sounds similar to the wage gap argument here: if it exists, where are all the companies hiring cheaper workers capable of doing the same work, exploiting the supposed market inefficiency?

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Post by gspetr »

jonknee wrote: post #160
dreta wrote: post #93

There’s a reason why people make tons of money playing the stock market against companies that artificially force gender, or racial equality. Practices like these are going to ruin your business the same way being sexist, or racist will. Either you hire the best person for the job, or you’ll be beaten by companies that do.

> There’s a reason why people make tons of money playing the stock market against companies that artificially force gender, or racial equality. Do you have any examples of this? Many, if not most, large firms actively seek diversity.

The NFL. They started pushing political issues into sport and now they are surprised to see it backfired.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/ratings-fumble-for-nfl-surprises...

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Post by yuhong »

int_19h wrote: post #301
st3v3r wrote: post #282

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So tell me, what exact dollar amount do you need to make where discrimination against you is ok?

I think it's more of a question of how much leverage do you have. If everyone is discriminating against you, like Jim Crow South, it doesn't really matter how much you make, because you can't go and find a different job easily. But if discrimination is limited, and the job market for this particular job and in this particular area favors employees, then it's a self-correcting problem - people will just walk. And if a…

There is also the problems of how to prove discrimination, which is why I suggested this particular compromise.

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Post by Asooka »

koolba wrote: post #133
anotherhacker wrote: post #124

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"I'll never again work for a company who has institutional performance review processes." Deming's 3rd deadly disease: Annual rating of performance. “It is purely a lottery” https://youtu.be/ehMAwIHGN0Y?t=298

> Deming's 3rd deadly disease: Annual rating of performance. “It is purely a lottery” More of a popularity contest than a lottery.

From the perspective of someone who can't play the popularity contest, it's effectively a lottery and the odds are stacked against you.

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Post by gspetr »

yolesaber wrote: post #151
Klibarchu wrote: post #141

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Give it a rest. Trumpeting your PC nonsense won't help you. You understood what he meant. Communication successful, despite your protest!

It's not about successful communication, it's about how you present an entire group of people. Using the term "the blacks" or "Blacks" makes you sound like Archie Bunker, dude. Negative social signal.

Yet people spend time leaving comments like your grandparent, deliberately virtue signaling.

I can bet dollars to doughnuts that if someone said "Whites" he would not have left a comment "More white people".

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