Right now I'm not really bothered about end-to-end encryption. If a government wants to track me, they will find a way. I'm more concerned about Facebook/Google/Microsoft/Apple tracking me, reading my private conversations, and selling my data to the highest bidder. I'd like an open source, decentralised messaging platform, that has good mobile apps. Are suggestions?
TOX – A New Kind of Instant Messaging
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#63I tried an earlier version of a tox client. At that time, there were at least two competing clients that looked the same and did the same things. Is the tox civil war over yet?
But you realize that's like saying "Well, I tried IRC but there are dozens of competing clients that all do the same thing." The Tox protocol is really the core tool. As long as the protocol is well-defined and maintained, I think developers should be free to make whichever clients that they want. I used tox ages ago, and I used the Blight client or whatever it was called, and I liked it pretty well. I think a bigger…
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#64It may surprise some to know that this started as a project of 4chan's /g/ board
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#65So, what happens if I download the client on one of laptops/PCs (for example my work computer) use it to communicate with peers...And then i wish to setup the client on another laptop/PC (for example my home computer) to contact my same peer/friends...How does the overall network (I guess DHT?) know that "its me!" (the same "me"), and not a different/new peer? With a centralized system there was the concept of identi…
I sometimes get up and walk away from a computer mid conversation, expecting to continue the conversation on my phone. It's the same reason I won't be using google allo. I need conversations to "sync" across mobile and PC.
I'm not going to sit at a desk all day chatting on my phone, and I'm not going to miss messages just because I went mobile.
I saw somewhere in a previous tox chat, that a possible solution would be a way to pin identities together (i say from desktop "this mobile is me" and from mobile "this desktop is me" and when they match, allow them to pair). And then send every message encrypted to both peers. If you have 5 devices linked, tox would behind the scenes send the message to 5 different destinations.
They havent done anything like this yet as far as I know.
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#66Right now I'm not really bothered about end-to-end encryption. If a government wants to track me, they will find a way. I'm more concerned about Facebook/Google/Microsoft/Apple tracking me, reading my private conversations, and selling my data to the highest bidder. I'd like an open source, decentralised messaging platform, that has good mobile apps. Are suggestions?
riot.im [1] (which is based on matrix.org) seems a good, decentralized, open messaging app. They have relatively nice mobile apps and they promise to soon release end-to-end encryption based on the OLM [2] ratchet which is similar to the Signal encryption. In contrast to Tox, Matrix relies on federated servers. Tox is pure P2P which, in my experience, never works very well on mobile devices. [1] https://riot.im/ [2]…
That's (UX) my biggest concern, honestly. UX is just too important, and it's becoming an increasingly fast moving bar. Simple things like hitting up arrow to edit your message, to more complex things like stickers and gifs, these are (unfortunately) requirements for me in my peer circles.
They sound silly, i know, but Telegram has (mostly) a great UX, and for such an important tool i can't currently give up features.. let alone convince my friends to likewise give up features.
(Fwiw, i love Matrix in design)
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#67So, what happens if I download the client on one of laptops/PCs (for example my work computer) use it to communicate with peers...And then i wish to setup the client on another laptop/PC (for example my home computer) to contact my same peer/friends...How does the overall network (I guess DHT?) know that "its me!" (the same "me"), and not a different/new peer? With a centralized system there was the concept of identi…
This has been the #1 reason that I havent convinced people to use tox yet. I sometimes get up and walk away from a computer mid conversation, expecting to continue the conversation on my phone. It's the same reason I won't be using google allo. I need conversations to "sync" across mobile and PC. I'm not going to sit at a desk all day chatting on my phone, and I'm not going to miss messages just because I went mobile…
I dislike existing systems that implement this kind of model since it is too easy for a ghost device to be getting copies of everything. My phone transitioning to different UX clients with notifications/verifications of transitions on its own UX is better.
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#68from the FAQ: "How do I add someone to my contacts list? Look in the profile or settings panel of your client to get your Tox ID which should look something like: 56A1ADE4B65B86BCD51CC73E2CD4E542179F47959FE3E0E21B4B0ACDADE51855D34D34D37CB5" Yuk! I see this flaw so many products like this, just about anything p2p, blockchain addresses, commit ids, etc. I think there is zero chance of getting anyone who is not technolo…
Once upon a time, we didn't have user names when communicating: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICQ
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#70from the FAQ: "How do I add someone to my contacts list? Look in the profile or settings panel of your client to get your Tox ID which should look something like: 56A1ADE4B65B86BCD51CC73E2CD4E542179F47959FE3E0E21B4B0ACDADE51855D34D34D37CB5" Yuk! I see this flaw so many products like this, just about anything p2p, blockchain addresses, commit ids, etc. I think there is zero chance of getting anyone who is not technolo…
This isn't a flaw, it's a feature. Whoever controls the phone book controls the keys to the kingdom. If the names are numbers generated by some cryptographic system, it is harder to subvert the system.