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TOX – A New Kind of Instant Messaging

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Re: TOX – A New Kind of Instant Messaging

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The preliminary plan is to deliver a high quality implementation of the Tox protocol and then deliver a high quality client. I personally don't have time to do both, and the team has very limited resources. The most actively developed client is currently qTox.

You did an incredible job, ignore all this trashing.

I'm not trashing or at least wasn't intending to. I see how it could have been interpreted in that way, though.

Re: TOX – A New Kind of Instant Messaging

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Does it still use 1GB of network traffic per day when idle?

That's by design to keep connections with other peers.

That is a fundamentally broken design. There is literally no excuse for a simple messenger app to suck up a gigabyte daily. How do you expect people to adopt this when they have broadband and wireless plans with data caps?

Re: TOX – A New Kind of Instant Messaging

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I was mad disappointed by signal. Not only does it require google play services, it also asks for about two dozen privileges on your phone. Not a great look for a privacy oriented app.

Moxie doesn’t consider that kind of privacy important. Governments listening to you is irrelevant, and third party clients are something he actively tries to prohibit. His position is that it’s better if everyone gets a little safety, than if a few people get full safety.

Those "compromises" has caused me not to trust him/Signal. Seeing the collaboration for E2E encryption being used at Facebook and Google chat solutions as "opt-in" as a marketing tool doesn't break that distrust either.

Re: TOX – A New Kind of Instant Messaging

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> Why aren't Identicons or QR codes used more? Nothing stops you from turning that hash into a QR code (afaik Antox does) - but then how do you copy & paste it?

a common usage, if you're able to do in person meetings, is to produce and scan them with your smartphone. much better than spelling the whole fingerprint. this makes, for instance, gpg key exchange a nice thing finally.

Exactly.

Re: TOX – A New Kind of Instant Messaging

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from the FAQ: "How do I add someone to my contacts list? Look in the profile or settings panel of your client to get your Tox ID which should look something like: 56A1ADE4B65B86BCD51CC73E2CD4E542179F47959FE3E0E21B4B0ACDADE51855D34D34D37CB5" Yuk! I see this flaw so many products like this, just about anything p2p, blockchain addresses, commit ids, etc. I think there is zero chance of getting anyone who is not technolo…

Once upon a time, we didn't have user names when communicating:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICQ

Re: TOX – A New Kind of Instant Messaging

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from the FAQ: "How do I add someone to my contacts list? Look in the profile or settings panel of your client to get your Tox ID which should look something like: 56A1ADE4B65B86BCD51CC73E2CD4E542179F47959FE3E0E21B4B0ACDADE51855D34D34D37CB5" Yuk! I see this flaw so many products like this, just about anything p2p, blockchain addresses, commit ids, etc. I think there is zero chance of getting anyone who is not technolo…

Choose two: Human-meaningful: Meaningful and memorable (low-entropy) names are provided to the users. Secure: Any entity in the system can act maliciously, including the majority of the entities or the available computational power. Decentralized: There is still only one, unique and specific entity to which a name resolves. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zooko%27s_triangle

Zooko's Triangle is conjecture, and Namecoin has shown it to be defeatable, no?

Edit: Ah, I see; "including the majority of the entities" would exclude Namecoin from being a proper solution to Zooko's Triangle.

Re: TOX – A New Kind of Instant Messaging

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from the FAQ: "How do I add someone to my contacts list? Look in the profile or settings panel of your client to get your Tox ID which should look something like: 56A1ADE4B65B86BCD51CC73E2CD4E542179F47959FE3E0E21B4B0ACDADE51855D34D34D37CB5" Yuk! I see this flaw so many products like this, just about anything p2p, blockchain addresses, commit ids, etc. I think there is zero chance of getting anyone who is not technolo…

Choose two: Human-meaningful: Meaningful and memorable (low-entropy) names are provided to the users. Secure: Any entity in the system can act maliciously, including the majority of the entities or the available computational power. Decentralized: There is still only one, unique and specific entity to which a name resolves. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zooko%27s_triangle

Interesting. So a NameCoin for QR codes would be progress?

Re: TOX – A New Kind of Instant Messaging

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So, what happens if I download the client on one of laptops/PCs (for example my work computer) use it to communicate with peers...And then i wish to setup the client on another laptop/PC (for example my home computer) to contact my same peer/friends...How does the overall network (I guess DHT?) know that "its me!" (the same "me"), and not a different/new peer? With a centralized system there was the concept of identity...but I just don't get how this would work here.

I'll admit I'm not a networking guru here, and I'm absolutely in favor of decentralized communications ...so my question above is not at all to knock on Tox; its me really wanting to know how the above scenario would play out...because I often need to bounce between a few different computers. Anyone know how this would work?

Side note: I am currently using matrix protocol via a synapse/matrix.org home server (using the chat client from https://riot.im/), so for any computer that I use/jump to, I'm represented by my home server (up in the cloud)...so that makes sense to me. I just don't get how jumping computers would work on Tox. Anyone know?

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