Isn't the Nobel Peace Prize widely considered a joke to begin with?
At least since 2009 when Obama Receiver it.
Kissinger was before that and much worse than Obama.
The Nobel Peace Prize 2016: Juan Manuel Santos
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#42I was in Colombia two weeks ago. I am Spanish so I could talk with the people. Not everybody supports the "peace process" like any Western media displays. In Colombia lots of terrible things have happened. There is people that had made a fortune simply murdering and stealing entire families, and of course drugs. Peace process means legalization of all this crimes, and laundering all the money and power gotten mainly…
You are not well informed. In Colombia the majority of the victims of the conflict support the peace process. You can easily see it in the map of how the people voted and you’ll notice that those territories where the war was actually fought got the big majority of the votes supporting the peace treaty. The process didn't legalize the crimes nor allow the guerrilla to keep their drug dealing money. That's just FUD. T…
What about the monthly alimony every FARC combatant was to receive?
I would probably still have voted 'yes' but I have a hard time to denunciate people for thinking otherwise: that paying someone to not terrorize you anymore amounts to "extortion money".
Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2016: Juan Manuel Santos
#43The Nobel Peace Prize lost all credibility when it was given to Obama in 2009.
He was awarded the price for his use of diplomacy instead of provoking more new wars. There was a lot of controversy regarding the decision, but to say that it lost all credibility is simply not true.
Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2016: Juan Manuel Santos
#44Isn't the Nobel Peace Prize widely considered a joke to begin with?
At least since 2009 when Obama Receiver it.
He was awarded the price for his use of diplomacy instead of provoking more new wars. There was a lot of controversy regarding the decision, but to say that it lost all credibility is simply not true.
Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2016: Juan Manuel Santos
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
At least since 2009 when Obama Receiver it.
Kissinger was before that and much worse than Obama.
What was the problem with awarding it to Kissinger? Generally curious? I don't recall the details, but as far as I understood he pretty much laid down the foundation to end the Vietnam war.
Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2016: Juan Manuel Santos
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can't end a war without leaving the past behind. And that means you have to make concessions. You make the comparison with Germany at the end of WWII. Not every Nazi or was punished, on the contrary, the majority escaped what uou call justice. Yes, it's unfair and hard to accept, but that's what makes every peace process so damn hard.
Nazi not punished ? Most of them died in the war. Oh and none of the allies war criminals were punished. You forgot to mention that.
We evan had a nazi soldier become a Pope. But you're right, none of the allies war criminals was punished.
Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2016: Juan Manuel Santos
#47I am Colombian. This is a really difficult situation, and this Nobel prize was really unexpected. When the plebiscite results where announced last Sunday, the whole country was astonished, even those who where for the No vote, as polls predicted and overwhelming support for Sí. I was very dissapointed with the result, even ashamed, as it was barely a win for No, but shown mostly an abstention level not seen in two de…
> I cannot understand that a majority of Colombians didn't want to take part in one of them is important decisions in a century.
Many people are willing to stand on the sidelines rather than take action when there don't seem to be any good solutions. This is partly why the work Santos is doing is important. There are no solutions that would make everyone happy, but passively doing nothing is not a good option, only the easy option. Santos has had the courage to put forward a path to peace, even if it is not popular.
Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2016: Juan Manuel Santos
#48I am Colombian. This is a really difficult situation, and this Nobel prize was really unexpected. When the plebiscite results where announced last Sunday, the whole country was astonished, even those who where for the No vote, as polls predicted and overwhelming support for Sí. I was very dissapointed with the result, even ashamed, as it was barely a win for No, but shown mostly an abstention level not seen in two de…
If Colombia some day get peace deal with FARC, isn't there other paramilitary groups still active? Do they have significant presence?
Also, another thing I wonder as European looking Colombia from the distance is that is FARC that organized and controlled that they are able to tell their soldiers put weapons down? I always thought that those kidnappers are simply crooks making money through extrusion not really Marxist idealists?
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#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
Kissinger was before that and much worse than Obama.
What was the problem with awarding it to Kissinger? Generally curious? I don't recall the details, but as far as I understood he pretty much laid down the foundation to end the Vietnam war.
Here's one take on it:
https://theintercept.com/2016/02/12/henry-kissingers-war-cri...
Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2016: Juan Manuel Santos
#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
Kissinger was before that and much worse than Obama.
What was the problem with awarding it to Kissinger? Generally curious? I don't recall the details, but as far as I understood he pretty much laid down the foundation to end the Vietnam war.
Carpet bombings of Laos, helping Nixon interfere with negotiations in Paris to end the war, looking the other way while Pakistan massacred people in Bangladesh, supporting Pinochet, etc.