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The Nobel Peace Prize 2016: Juan Manuel Santos

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Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2016: Juan Manuel Santos

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Well, what did you expect from the people who have given a prize to Kissinger, Arafat, Obama?

Well, they had to avoid Snowden at all costs.

Whatever you think of Snowden, you can hardly claim that what he's done has directly affected any conflicts for the better

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2016: Juan Manuel Santos

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, they had to avoid Snowden at all costs.

Whatever you think of Snowden, you can hardly claim that what he's done has directly affected any conflicts for the better

Peace is about far more than conflict.

To suggest otherwise is in my opinion, utterly naive, but in the very least shortsighted.

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2016: Juan Manuel Santos

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post #10

Well, what did you expect from the people who have given a prize to Kissinger, Arafat, Obama?

Well, they had to avoid Snowden at all costs.

So did the Nobel chemistry prize committee ;)

Is there a notable prize for civil disobedience or similar?

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2016: Juan Manuel Santos

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, they had to avoid Snowden at all costs.

Whatever you think of Snowden, you can hardly claim that what he's done has directly affected any conflicts for the better

But why is that relevant? Malala worked on education in war-torn areas. Plenty of laureates worked on alleviating poverty, Red Cross (and associated people) got the prize for health, as did Albert Schweitzer. Snowden blew the lid off US governmental surveillance.

I don't care about the Nobel Peace Prize one jot, but if I did, I'd definitely want a prize for Assange, though he is a very controversial figure.

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2016: Juan Manuel Santos

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I was in Colombia two weeks ago. I am Spanish so I could talk with the people. Not everybody supports the "peace process" like any Western media displays.

In Colombia lots of terrible things have happened. There is people that had made a fortune simply murdering and stealing entire families, and of course drugs.

Peace process means legalization of all this crimes, and laundering all the money and power gotten mainly by extortion. There are thousands of victim's families that are angry because it means no justice for them, the people that killed their family members will not go to jail and the properties that were stolen will not go back to the families.

Uribe put the guerrilla on his knees by force, making it to want to make a deal in the same way the Germans or Japanese wanted a honorable peace deal when everything was lost. Now Santos gets all the Glory basically capitulating against the Guerrilla.

The deal is a very bad deal, for example it makes Guerrilla a "democratic" party, but if the people do not vote them, it does not matter because representation is warranted by law, basically giving them the territories that they already controlled by force.

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2016: Juan Manuel Santos

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post #16

I was in Colombia two weeks ago. I am Spanish so I could talk with the people. Not everybody supports the "peace process" like any Western media displays. In Colombia lots of terrible things have happened. There is people that had made a fortune simply murdering and stealing entire families, and of course drugs. Peace process means legalization of all this crimes, and laundering all the money and power gotten mainly…

I live in Colombia.

No, they weren't in "his knees", that's a lie perpetuated by Uribe himself.

Being elected doesn't give them any power over any territories, they will be just part of the Congress, so they will have power to vote there, but not over "specific" territories.

By the way today an scandal is up in Colombia where one of Uribes friends declared all the tactics to emotionally manipulate the people to vote against the treaty with lies and overly exaggerated claims (https://www.google.com.co/amp/amp.noticias.caracoltv.com/acu...)

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2016: Juan Manuel Santos

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post #16

I was in Colombia two weeks ago. I am Spanish so I could talk with the people. Not everybody supports the "peace process" like any Western media displays. In Colombia lots of terrible things have happened. There is people that had made a fortune simply murdering and stealing entire families, and of course drugs. Peace process means legalization of all this crimes, and laundering all the money and power gotten mainly…

You are not well informed. In Colombia the majority of the victims of the conflict support the peace process. You can easily see it in the map of how the people voted and you’ll notice that those territories where the war was actually fought got the big majority of the votes supporting the peace treaty.

The process didn't legalize the crimes nor allow the guerrilla to keep their drug dealing money. That's just FUD. The kind of FUD that made uninformed people vote no.

Uribe fought the guerrilla fiercely, but he did it by getting alliances with paramilitary groups that were even worse than the guerrilla.

The peace treaty is not perfect, and yes, there were some concessions made to the guerrilla. Like the possibility to have 10 out of 270 positions in the congress even if they didn’t get the votes, but only for two periods. It’s not easy to negotiate after 50 years of crude war, but all the lives saved with it are completely worth it.

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2016: Juan Manuel Santos

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post #8

Interesting choice, especially since the referendum itself fell through. But it is a strong signal for Santos and the FARC to work out a new deal. Ending a 50 year civil war would be amazing for Colombia. Kudos to the comittee for taking such an "old" conflict and not picking up a (for lack of a better word) "hip" topic . I do not mean that the White Helmets or every other Organisation on the short list would not hav…

Arent White Helmets a subversive CIA group?

There has been pictures of "rebels" with guns for a day, then a White Helmet the next day switching back and forth.

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