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Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Post by bitL »

tomerv wrote: post #56
iamleppert wrote: post #52

Just reading this brought back memories of working at LinkedIn, and why I'll never again work for a company who has institutional performance review processes. That pretty much excludes all big tech companies and I'm perfectly fine with that. The cookie-cutter performance review process is impersonal and has absolutely nothing to do with helping people do their best work. In my case, I had a manager who simply didn't…

What's the alternative? I assume that you expect companies to promote/fire based on performance. How can you do that without a performance review process? My experience has been that the biggest factor is your direct manager. If your manager hates you, then you have a serious problem, because no matter what kind of process (or lack of process) your company has, they can get you fired. On the other hand, a good manage…

The biggest problem for companies IMO is that the better but not much visible a person is, the bigger competitor to their own boss they become. If they produce top results and already got visibility, they are safe. If they produce top results but aren't visible, they are the prime target of their own managers, as they are just a little luck away from ascending over them.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Post by wp1 »

bitL wrote: post #120
NhanH wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So the real rule when looking for new jobs is to avoid places where they hire first and do allocations later, as your picture of what the company is at interview time might be completely different than what you'll find on day one. Oh hey that's actually a whole lot of big corps ... most prominently Google, isn't it?

The guy you go to lunch with during your on-site interview @Google is most likely the one that becomes your boss if you are hired.

FTFY: The guy you go to lunch with during your on-site interview @Google is most likely the one who hasn't completed interview training yet.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Post by thedufer »

NhanH wrote: post #107
hibikir wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not really about the review process, but about making one of the biggest mistakes you can make: After you know your manager doesn't like you, you didn't do everything in your power to either switch teams or change companies. Nothing good will come out of working for a manager that doesn't like you. You'll get worse reviews than you deserve and worse raises. You'll get less exposure to other parts of the compan…

> So the real rule when looking for new jobs is to avoid places where they hire first and do allocations later, as your picture of what the company is at interview time might be completely different than what you'll find on day one. Oh hey that's actually a whole lot of big corps ... most prominently Google, isn't it?

My experience was that they refused to even talk money before doing team matching. This was less than a year ago; maybe things have changed?

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Post by anotherhacker »

iamleppert wrote: post #52

Just reading this brought back memories of working at LinkedIn, and why I'll never again work for a company who has institutional performance review processes. That pretty much excludes all big tech companies and I'm perfectly fine with that. The cookie-cutter performance review process is impersonal and has absolutely nothing to do with helping people do their best work. In my case, I had a manager who simply didn't…

"I'll never again work for a company who has institutional performance review processes."

Deming's 3rd deadly disease: Annual rating of performance. “It is purely a lottery”

https://youtu.be/ehMAwIHGN0Y?t=298

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Post by dominotw »

joeax wrote: post #34

I was once a fan of Mayer when she first took over Yahoo, until she led a crusade against remote workers. As a remote worker myself I can tell you this crusade sent ripples throughout the industry. A lot of tech companies (especially outside the bay area) want to emulate the cool kids like Yahoo, Google, and Apple, and even the company I work for started questioning its WFH policies. So no, I don't feel sorry for her…

>this crusade sent ripples throughout the industry

Were there any other companies that followed yahoo's lead?

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Post by pauleastlund »

iamleppert wrote: post #52

Just reading this brought back memories of working at LinkedIn, and why I'll never again work for a company who has institutional performance review processes. That pretty much excludes all big tech companies and I'm perfectly fine with that. The cookie-cutter performance review process is impersonal and has absolutely nothing to do with helping people do their best work. In my case, I had a manager who simply didn't…

Assuming your interpretation of your manager's motivations are correct, that's horrible and I'm sorry you had to go through it. With that said, would you have had any more protections at a smaller company? The process at those bigger companies, while excruciating for all companies, makes it harder for managers to fire, not easier.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Post by arethuza »

iamleppert wrote: post #52

Just reading this brought back memories of working at LinkedIn, and why I'll never again work for a company who has institutional performance review processes. That pretty much excludes all big tech companies and I'm perfectly fine with that. The cookie-cutter performance review process is impersonal and has absolutely nothing to do with helping people do their best work. In my case, I had a manager who simply didn't…

I had one large company where performance was really one bit - ranking was on a scale of 1 to 5 and, as I was told, "nobody is a 5 and if you were a 1 or 2 you'd already have been sacked".

So everyone was either a 3 (meeting expectations) or 4 (exceeding expectations in some areas).

I did manage to persuade my line manager (the CIO) to give me a 5 on something but he then felt the need to mark me down somewhere else so I remained a 4 overall.

Utterly pointless exercise.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Post by orly_bookz »

conradfr wrote: post #117
leaveyou wrote: post #53

I'm deeply offended by this and personally I will cease to use Yahoo Mail. I urge any self-respecting males to stop using any of Yahoo services as a form of protest for this despicable act of discrimination. And I'm serious; too much is too much.

You weren't offended when they (supposedly) scanned all emails for the NSA?

Or the fact that it has been a spam-riddled POS for about a decade now?

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Post by zhai88 »

Worked for a high tech company in the US that hired mostly ethnic Asian people especially immigrants from China, Japan, Korea because most were single or came over alone and would work 12 hours, weekends, etc. THey did not protest, maybe could not protest because of whatever visa they were on. CEO was from China, family members in senior positions at the company etc.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Post by wattt »

wp1 wrote: post #122
bitL wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The guy you go to lunch with during your on-site interview @Google is most likely the one that becomes your boss if you are hired.

FTFY: The guy you go to lunch with during your on-site interview @Google is most likely the one who hasn't completed interview training yet .

FTFY: the PERSON you go to lunch with...
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