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Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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I'm deeply offended by this and personally I will cease to use Yahoo Mail. I urge any self-respecting males to stop using any of Yahoo services as a form of protest for this despicable act of discrimination. And I'm serious; too much is too much.

Wait, you were still using yahoo? It's 2016, dude

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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post #20

“..less than 20 percent female. Within a year and a half those top managers were more than 80 percent female,” Even if they were not deliberate about it, they must have talked about how this might be perceived by employees. As bad as this issue is, I think hiring friend/referral/former colleague, especially en mass is much bigger issue that's rarely talked about because it's not necessarily illegal. However, I cannot…

I am OK with this. What annoys me is the discrimination against non asians happening in the valley these days. I mean, gee wilikers.

Surely you mean non-whites and non-asians.

Caucasians are still a huge portion of the Silicon Valley work force. It's women, hispanics, and african americans who make up some tiny percentage...

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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post #93

There’s a reason why people make tons of money playing the stock market against companies that artificially force gender, or racial equality. Practices like these are going to ruin your business the same way being sexist, or racist will. Either you hire the best person for the job, or you’ll be beaten by companies that do.

Practices like firing all your men and replacing them with women will ruin your business "the same way" that being sexist will? Perhaps we need to examine the popular conception of what constitutes "sexism". This is right up there with the idea "more blacks = more diverse".

More black people.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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post #88

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It's not reverse discrimination; it's just discrimination.

Yes, reverse discrimination[0] is an example of discrimination. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_discrimination

The term "reverse discrimination" is one of the biggest examples of modern racist and sexist thought. Using it makes it clear that you don't believe women/non-whites to be equal to white men.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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post #74

This is ultimately the result of things like 'implicit biases' training that tell you to accept that you are unfairly subconsciously advantaging majorities and that you should explicitly disadvantage them to make up for your biases. Disgusting.

> and that you should explicitly disadvantage them to make up for your biases.

This isn't correct. Any "training" program which would advocate for this would be highly unethical. At the end of the Vox article linked to by dankohn1, it gives steps to reduce implicit bias. These steps are all about awareness and mindfulness. Nowhere does it explicitly state to trade one form of discrimination for another.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

#117

I'm deeply offended by this and personally I will cease to use Yahoo Mail. I urge any self-respecting males to stop using any of Yahoo services as a form of protest for this despicable act of discrimination. And I'm serious; too much is too much.

You weren't offended when they (supposedly) scanned all emails for the NSA?

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

#118

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She laid out a good reason for doing it. I think the decision was justified.

In the book Deep Work by Cal Newport, he uses Mayer's firing of remote employees as an example of a toxic work culture that values signalling over production. Here's the excerpt: > In 2013, for example, Yahoo's new CEO Marissa Mayer banned employees from working at home. She made this decision after checking the server logs for the virtual private network that Yahoo employees use to remotely log in to company servers…

Not only is that terrible management, it's audacious micromanagement that the CEO went to great personal lengths (based on the story anyways) to gather evidence to go after remote workers. That probably paints the best picture for me of why yahoo failed: a company with great institutional and market issues, had its CEO conducting an unscientific survey of the effectiveness of remote workers

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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post #102

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>So the real rule when looking for new jobs is to avoid places where they hire first and do allocations later This is an issue with big banks like Capital One. The management culture is absolutely awful there and they hold a tremendous amount of power and of course abuse that power as well as abuse the workers.

Just to add another view here: I'm currently a Data Scientist at Capital One and enjoy it quite a bit. I've found management to be open, supportive, and invested in my and my coworkers' success and development. They also allow and encourage people to change teams within the company, so if you find yourself in a situation that's not working out, you can move to another team. I've also not seen anybody leave the compan…

I've seen both sides.

I used to work for Capital One Europe, the UK side of the business that currently only does credit cards, until last year. I'd seen a mixture of some people leaving on good terms and some on bad terms, with no obvious correlation to performance. Personally, I left on good terms for a new role elsewhere.

I'd suggest when you're talking about a company of sufficient size; there are always going to be a mixture of those leaving on good terms and those not.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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post #107
post #57

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That's not really about the review process, but about making one of the biggest mistakes you can make: After you know your manager doesn't like you, you didn't do everything in your power to either switch teams or change companies. Nothing good will come out of working for a manager that doesn't like you. You'll get worse reviews than you deserve and worse raises. You'll get less exposure to other parts of the compan…

> So the real rule when looking for new jobs is to avoid places where they hire first and do allocations later, as your picture of what the company is at interview time might be completely different than what you'll find on day one. Oh hey that's actually a whole lot of big corps ... most prominently Google, isn't it?

The guy you go to lunch with during your on-site interview @Google is most likely the one that becomes your boss if you are hired.
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