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The Nobel Peace Prize 2016: Juan Manuel Santos

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Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2016: Juan Manuel Santos

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Post by tobltobs »

antocv wrote: post #20
jagermo wrote: post #8

Interesting choice, especially since the referendum itself fell through. But it is a strong signal for Santos and the FARC to work out a new deal. Ending a 50 year civil war would be amazing for Colombia. Kudos to the comittee for taking such an "old" conflict and not picking up a (for lack of a better word) "hip" topic . I do not mean that the White Helmets or every other Organisation on the short list would not hav…

Arent White Helmets a subversive CIA group? There has been pictures of "rebels" with guns for a day, then a White Helmet the next day switching back and forth.

Digging out the wounded and dying is a subversive act?

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2016: Juan Manuel Santos

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Post by lb1lf »

Arnt wrote: post #13
rurban wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, they had to avoid Snowden at all costs.

So did the Nobel chemistry prize committee ;) Is there a notable prize for civil disobedience or similar?

> Is there a notable prize for civil disobedience or similar?

The Rafto Prize comes pretty close; its purpose is more or less explicitly stated as raising awareness of lesser-known human rights activists to make their work easier and provide the modicum of protection that international awareness gives.

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2016: Juan Manuel Santos

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Post by wallace_f »

gotofritz wrote: post #11
rurban wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, they had to avoid Snowden at all costs.

Whatever you think of Snowden, you can hardly claim that what he's done has directly affected any conflicts for the better

You're right. Conflicts involving equality and human rights between peoples and their governments has only happened in the past, and the USA is currently immune from such conflict, so we can hardly define it as such.

I don't regret the sarcasm: your presumption that defining what can be classified as a veritable struggle for human welfare can, in turn, be used as an argument for which struggles are most deserving of praise is what is called a straw man argument, perhaps the most annoying fallacy to refute before an audience of undecided thinkers as it is effective despite being logically inconsistent.

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2016: Juan Manuel Santos

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Post by j_jochem »

lb1lf wrote: post #22
Arnt wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So did the Nobel chemistry prize committee ;) Is there a notable prize for civil disobedience or similar?

> Is there a notable prize for civil disobedience or similar? The Rafto Prize comes pretty close; its purpose is more or less explicitly stated as raising awareness of lesser-known human rights activists to make their work easier and provide the modicum of protection that international awareness gives.

"Lesser known" is probably where Snowden fails the criteria for that one.

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2016: Juan Manuel Santos

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Post by tarancato »

ceronman wrote: post #19
pipio21 wrote: post #16

I was in Colombia two weeks ago. I am Spanish so I could talk with the people. Not everybody supports the "peace process" like any Western media displays. In Colombia lots of terrible things have happened. There is people that had made a fortune simply murdering and stealing entire families, and of course drugs. Peace process means legalization of all this crimes, and laundering all the money and power gotten mainly…

You are not well informed. In Colombia the majority of the victims of the conflict support the peace process. You can easily see it in the map of how the people voted and you’ll notice that those territories where the war was actually fought got the big majority of the votes supporting the peace treaty. The process didn't legalize the crimes nor allow the guerrilla to keep their drug dealing money. That's just FUD. T…

>You can easily see it in the map of how the people voted and you’ll notice that those territories where the war was actually fought got the big majority of the votes supporting the peace treaty.

Or maybe because people in those territories support the guerrillas?

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2016: Juan Manuel Santos

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Post by yabatopia »

pipio21 wrote: post #16

I was in Colombia two weeks ago. I am Spanish so I could talk with the people. Not everybody supports the "peace process" like any Western media displays. In Colombia lots of terrible things have happened. There is people that had made a fortune simply murdering and stealing entire families, and of course drugs. Peace process means legalization of all this crimes, and laundering all the money and power gotten mainly…

You can't end a war without leaving the past behind. And that means you have to make concessions. You make the comparison with Germany at the end of WWII. Not every Nazi or was punished, on the contrary, the majority escaped what uou call justice. Yes, it's unfair and hard to accept, but that's what makes every peace process so damn hard.
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