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Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Post by shard972 »

jacquesc wrote: post #42
cocktailpeanuts wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dude, Yahoo stopped being a "cool kid" a decade ago. That's really messed up if your company actually thinks it should emulate Yahoo because it's a cool company.

While that's generally been true since the late 90s, when Marissa Mayer took over Yahoo did have quite the honeymoon period. Yahoo genuinely became "cool" for at least a year or 2, and everyone was glowing about Mayer being one of the best CEOs in the tech world.

Maybe that's what yahoo should do to get out of their short term problem at the moment, hire another female CEO to get some hype back in the company.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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hibikir wrote: post #57

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That's not really about the review process, but about making one of the biggest mistakes you can make: After you know your manager doesn't like you, you didn't do everything in your power to either switch teams or change companies. Nothing good will come out of working for a manager that doesn't like you. You'll get worse reviews than you deserve and worse raises. You'll get less exposure to other parts of the compan…

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Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Post by IndianAstronaut »

hibikir wrote: post #57
iamleppert wrote: post #52

Just reading this brought back memories of working at LinkedIn, and why I'll never again work for a company who has institutional performance review processes. That pretty much excludes all big tech companies and I'm perfectly fine with that. The cookie-cutter performance review process is impersonal and has absolutely nothing to do with helping people do their best work. In my case, I had a manager who simply didn't…

That's not really about the review process, but about making one of the biggest mistakes you can make: After you know your manager doesn't like you, you didn't do everything in your power to either switch teams or change companies. Nothing good will come out of working for a manager that doesn't like you. You'll get worse reviews than you deserve and worse raises. You'll get less exposure to other parts of the compan…

>So the real rule when looking for new jobs is to avoid places where they hire first and do allocations later

This is an issue with big banks like Capital One. The management culture is absolutely awful there and they hold a tremendous amount of power and of course abuse that power as well as abuse the workers.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Post by IndianAstronaut »

joeax wrote: post #39
cocktailpeanuts wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dude, Yahoo stopped being a "cool kid" a decade ago. That's really messed up if your company actually thinks it should emulate Yahoo because it's a cool company.

I never said my company emulates Yahoo. But "cool kid" or not their influence cannot be understated. Right after the Yahoo/WFH hoopla companies like Best Buy and HP followed suit. Remember this was back when she first took over CEO and everyone believed she was the "one" to turnaround the company.

I know someone at HP who suddenly had to go in to work. This put him in a situation where he had to pay thousands for day care and he threatened to leave until they finally let him work from home again.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Post by brian-armstrong »

ericdykstra wrote: post #48
brian-armstrong wrote: post #41

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She laid out a good reason for doing it. I think the decision was justified.

In the book Deep Work by Cal Newport, he uses Mayer's firing of remote employees as an example of a toxic work culture that values signalling over production. Here's the excerpt: > In 2013, for example, Yahoo's new CEO Marissa Mayer banned employees from working at home. She made this decision after checking the server logs for the virtual private network that Yahoo employees use to remotely log in to company servers…

I take back what I said. I hadn't seen this before, thanks for sharing.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Post by grawlinson »

dschuetz wrote: post #51

Does anyone here even use Yahoo's products or services? I wonder why Yahoo is still significant and why there are stockholders dumb enough to stay. Yahoo is a sinking ship, imho.

Yes. I used Flickr before Yahoo purchased it, and have watched Yahoo ruin it.

I've tried alternatives (Instagram, 500px) but keep coming back to Flickr because I just prefer it to the rest.

Over the last couple of months, I have started migrating my photos/contacts to other photo sharing networks in anticipation of the eventual straw that broke the camels back.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Post by hueving »

ComodoHacker wrote: post #61
leaveyou wrote: post #53

I'm deeply offended by this and personally I will cease to use Yahoo Mail. I urge any self-respecting males to stop using any of Yahoo services as a form of protest for this despicable act of discrimination. And I'm serious; too much is too much.

So you judge mere on the fact that some lawsuit was filed? Without hearing, without proofs presented, without looking into other party's version? Perhaps this is exactly what someone is expecting from you now.

You're right, the 80 percent female just matched the gender ratio of the broader industry. /s

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Post by simonh »

baby wrote: post #4
meddlepal wrote: post #3

Yahoo is in full self-destruct mode this week.

Someone could wonder if all this is being triggered by people with an agenda.

Management is responsible for every aspect of how an organization functions and operates. When management fails this comprehensively, it's not unusual for the organization to fail in multiple different ways.

But Yahoo has been on this trajectory since long before Mayer joined them. They are to internet services what Blackberry was to mobile devices. They were a transitional platform, just advanced enough from the old platforms (CompuServe, AOL) to succeed when they failed, but too like them to succeed once the industry transitioned to the new paradigm.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Post by snovv_crash »

matt4077 wrote: post #17
melindajb wrote: post #11

Anyone who was unkind to Ellen Pao should really be rethinking themselves about now. Edit: Hn thread: why is diversity so important? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12576806 Me: if diversity is not important than this lawsuit is a joke and HN should be laughing at this lawsuit.

Funny you should mention her. I'm 100% sure that it can't be coincidence that the only "really bad CEOs" I keep hearing about on social media are Pao, Meyers and Elizabeth Holmes. But people really don't react kindly to accusations of sexism without proof. I wonder how unlikely it is that the 90% of male CEOs in high tech are all exemplary.

Martin Shkreli, Parker Conrad, Brendan Eich, Jack Dorsey, Steve Ballmer. Even though Amazon is doing well people hate on Jeff Bezos a lot.
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