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Unix as IDE

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Re: Unix as IDE

#11
>But I think that trying to shoehorn Vim or Emacs into becoming something that it’s not isn’t quite thinking about the problem in the right way.

...Well, this is clearly a Vim user. If you're never leaving Emacs, and you're writing plugins to do everything inside it, you're using Emacs exactly as intended.

Re: Unix as IDE

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At some point I realized Unix is basically a long-running IDE + REPL, and thought that was just so cool . And then I realized how horribly inefficient it is at being that. So I started longing for the days when we had some kind of OS where it actually is a IDE + REPL, like an OS based on Lisp. And then I learned that that already was done and didn't turn out as cool as people had hoped. Oh well.

By all accounts, LispM's were awesome systems to use but lost out due to heavy marketing from unix vendor companies.

They were also really expensive, and there have always been people who hated Lisp for the syntax.

Re: Unix as IDE

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At some point I realized Unix is basically a long-running IDE + REPL, and thought that was just so cool . And then I realized how horribly inefficient it is at being that. So I started longing for the days when we had some kind of OS where it actually is a IDE + REPL, like an OS based on Lisp. And then I learned that that already was done and didn't turn out as cool as people had hoped. Oh well.

Systems such as Genera were a lot better as development environments than the Unices which replaced them.

Re: Unix as IDE

#14
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

By all accounts, LispM's were awesome systems to use but lost out due to heavy marketing from unix vendor companies.

They were also really expensive, and there have always been people who hated Lisp for the syntax.

On Symbolics Genera they had the option of using C, Pascal, Ada, Fortran, or Prolog.

Re: Unix as IDE

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>But I think that trying to shoehorn Vim or Emacs into becoming something that it’s not isn’t quite thinking about the problem in the right way. ...Well, this is clearly a Vim user. If you're never leaving Emacs, and you're writing plugins to do everything inside it, you're using Emacs exactly as intended.

Yeah, emacs would be a great operating system, if only it came with a decent text editor.

(ducks)

Re: Unix as IDE

#16
post #4

At some point I realized Unix is basically a long-running IDE + REPL, and thought that was just so cool . And then I realized how horribly inefficient it is at being that. So I started longing for the days when we had some kind of OS where it actually is a IDE + REPL, like an OS based on Lisp. And then I learned that that already was done and didn't turn out as cool as people had hoped. Oh well.

The C64 was like that. Not Lisp but it booted right into a BASIC REPL. BASIC was the C64's operating system. I still think there is a niche for such a system today (mainly for developing rapidly changing business applications you'd nowadays use Excel for, as well as education).

> I still think there is a niche for such a system today

In Polish auto repair, if nowhere else:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/gadgets/a23139/co...

Re: Unix as IDE

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post #4

At some point I realized Unix is basically a long-running IDE + REPL, and thought that was just so cool . And then I realized how horribly inefficient it is at being that. So I started longing for the days when we had some kind of OS where it actually is a IDE + REPL, like an OS based on Lisp. And then I learned that that already was done and didn't turn out as cool as people had hoped. Oh well.

By all accounts, LispM's were awesome systems to use but lost out due to heavy marketing from unix vendor companies.

I had a couple of them, a 3620 and a MacIvory. With all the focus on AI, maybe Lisp optimized hardware will return in some form, perhaps a bit like GPUs have become a trend. There was a lot of clever code written on top of Genera. It would be a shame for it to get re-written due to the loss of the Lisp machine platforms.

Re: Unix as IDE

#18

>But I think that trying to shoehorn Vim or Emacs into becoming something that it’s not isn’t quite thinking about the problem in the right way. ...Well, this is clearly a Vim user. If you're never leaving Emacs, and you're writing plugins to do everything inside it, you're using Emacs exactly as intended.

Yeah, emacs would be a great operating system, if only it came with a decent text editor. (ducks)

Someone fixed that. My emacs came with good modal editing out of the box. Maybe your emacs is broken. Try spacemacs.org.

(runs)

Re: Unix as IDE

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post #4

At some point I realized Unix is basically a long-running IDE + REPL, and thought that was just so cool . And then I realized how horribly inefficient it is at being that. So I started longing for the days when we had some kind of OS where it actually is a IDE + REPL, like an OS based on Lisp. And then I learned that that already was done and didn't turn out as cool as people had hoped. Oh well.

> And then I realized how horribly inefficient it is at being that.

This depends a lot on the user. In the right hands it's extremely efficient.

Re: Unix as IDE

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

By all accounts, LispM's were awesome systems to use but lost out due to heavy marketing from unix vendor companies.

They were also really expensive, and there have always been people who hated Lisp for the syntax.

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