Unix as IDE

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Post by yarapavan » Thu, Oct 06, 2016, 2:59 PM UTC

Re: Unix as IDE

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Post by signa11 » Thu, Oct 06, 2016, 5:11 PM UTC

iirc (very vaguely) this has been discussed on hn before. the entire series is available as an ebook here: https://github.com/mrzool/unix-as-ide

Re: Unix as IDE

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Post by shunyaloop » Thu, Oct 06, 2016, 5:13 PM UTC

signa11 wrote: post #2

iirc (very vaguely) this has been discussed on hn before. the entire series is available as an ebook here: https://github.com/mrzool/unix-as-ide

Thank you. The ebook is helpful

Re: Unix as IDE

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Post by _vya7 » Thu, Oct 06, 2016, 5:19 PM UTC

At some point I realized Unix is basically a long-running IDE + REPL, and thought that was just so cool. And then I realized how horribly inefficient it is at being that. So I started longing for the days when we had some kind of OS where it actually is a IDE + REPL, like an OS based on Lisp. And then I learned that that already was done and didn't turn out as cool as people had hoped. Oh well.

Re: Unix as IDE

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Post by cathexis » Thu, Oct 06, 2016, 5:26 PM UTC

_vya7 wrote: post #4

At some point I realized Unix is basically a long-running IDE + REPL, and thought that was just so cool . And then I realized how horribly inefficient it is at being that. So I started longing for the days when we had some kind of OS where it actually is a IDE + REPL, like an OS based on Lisp. And then I learned that that already was done and didn't turn out as cool as people had hoped. Oh well.

By all accounts, LispM's were awesome systems to use but lost out due to heavy marketing from unix vendor companies.

Re: Unix as IDE

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Post by pmiller2 » Thu, Oct 06, 2016, 5:29 PM UTC

_vya7 wrote: post #4

At some point I realized Unix is basically a long-running IDE + REPL, and thought that was just so cool . And then I realized how horribly inefficient it is at being that. So I started longing for the days when we had some kind of OS where it actually is a IDE + REPL, like an OS based on Lisp. And then I learned that that already was done and didn't turn out as cool as people had hoped. Oh well.

Yeah, the other way around seems to work better: IDE as OS (really IDE as OS shell) a la emacs.

Re: Unix as IDE

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Oct 06, 2016, 5:39 PM UTC

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Re: Unix as IDE

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Post by julbaxter » Thu, Oct 06, 2016, 5:49 PM UTC

Previous discussion https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4105768 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3594098

Re: Unix as IDE

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Post by dozzie » Thu, Oct 06, 2016, 5:53 PM UTC

pmiller2 wrote: post #6

_vya7 wrote: post #4

At some point I realized Unix is basically a long-running IDE + REPL, and thought that was just so cool . And then I realized how horribly inefficient it is at being that. So I started longing for the days when we had some kind of OS where it actually is a IDE + REPL, like an OS based on Lisp. And then I learned that that already was done and didn't turn out as cool as people had hoped. Oh well.

Yeah, the other way around seems to work better: IDE as OS (really IDE as OS shell) a la emacs.

But as the old saying goes, it will still need a decent editor.

Re: Unix as IDE

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Post by BjoernKW » Thu, Oct 06, 2016, 6:02 PM UTC

_vya7 wrote: post #4

At some point I realized Unix is basically a long-running IDE + REPL, and thought that was just so cool . And then I realized how horribly inefficient it is at being that. So I started longing for the days when we had some kind of OS where it actually is a IDE + REPL, like an OS based on Lisp. And then I learned that that already was done and didn't turn out as cool as people had hoped. Oh well.

The C64 was like that. Not Lisp but it booted right into a BASIC REPL. BASIC was the C64's operating system. I still think there is a niche for such a system today (mainly for developing rapidly changing business applications you'd nowadays use Excel for, as well as education).