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UnGoogled Chromium: Chromium with enhanced privacy, control and transparency

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Re: UnGoogled Chromium: Chromium with enhanced privacy, control and transparency

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Post by boterock »

erikpukinskis wrote: post #325
nikcub wrote: post #208

Removing Google's binary blobs is mitigating one issue, but replacing it with an entire binary blog from an anonymous github user might be introducing new ones. On that note - can you tell us more about the project? ie. if you plan on keeping this updated long terms (i've watched a lot of promising chromium forks fade after an initial big splash), what your plans are, if you'll you accept contributions, how the binar…

> a lighter browser (without canvas, webgl, webrtc etc.) Please do not do this. Webgl and Webrtc are fundamental technologies needed to efficiently do basic activities like process an image or send sound data to another user. I am all for a "lighter" browser, by removing UI, removing dev tools, etc. Get rid of the stuff that's not required to make a web page work well. But WebGL and WebRTC are cornerstone technologie…

I'd actually like a 'light' web browser, made for nothing else than 'web browsing'...

Some time ago I tried Lynx and I liked the idea, It was waay simpler that I'd like, but in the other hand I feel that interfaces made for web are always crippled compared with desktop interfaces (from G docs vs MS office, up to clara.io compared to blender).

For web browsing I think that something between a browser and Lynx is something that I would use, most of the time I am interested in the content more than the aesthetics or the pixel perfect alignment of visuals... and if I was interested in an application (that requires the newest tech in browsers) most of the time there is a better tool for desktop.

Re: UnGoogled Chromium: Chromium with enhanced privacy, control and transparency

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Post by ccanassa »

Skunkleton wrote: post #430
ccanassa wrote: post #424

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Yeah, but you will need it when your mom calls you asking for help with some broken website she is trying to use :)

Really? Do you commonly debug random websites for your mom?

Yes, I do that more often than not. Specially during that time of the year when you need to do the tax declaration and use the utterly broken government websites. One common problem that I have to fix is that the Brazilian government likes to issue their own SSL certificates which are not accepted by any browser, therefore I keep the requests tab open and look for any Ajax requests that was blocked due to SSL errors.

Re: UnGoogled Chromium: Chromium with enhanced privacy, control and transparency

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Post by sprafa »

gnarbarian wrote: post #221
sprafa wrote: post #214

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He is not a woman and he is not a part of an historically discriminated against group. You're making a huge false equivalence that ignores one simple thing: he resigned BECAUSE he was found to support discriminatory policies. If the problem is discrimination then he was part of the problem. Women who resigned because they are harassed are victims of discrimination. Men who resign because they SUPPORT discrimination a…

>historically discriminated against group So when does reparations end? Is there some objective condition that can be met where we can all agree to stop trying to prop certain groups up while discouraging others? I personally don't think that's possible. We would spend the rest of time trying to correct perceived wrongs done to categories of people for hundreds of years. It's far more sane to simply agree to NOT disc…

They end when we have full equality.

Re: UnGoogled Chromium: Chromium with enhanced privacy, control and transparency

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Post by sprafa »

creationix wrote: post #393
sprafa wrote: post #214

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He is not a woman and he is not a part of an historically discriminated against group. You're making a huge false equivalence that ignores one simple thing: he resigned BECAUSE he was found to support discriminatory policies. If the problem is discrimination then he was part of the problem. Women who resigned because they are harassed are victims of discrimination. Men who resign because they SUPPORT discrimination a…

Wait, you're yelling "huge false equivalence" and then compare supporting what was a popular political viewpoint (Even Obama and the majority of California voters supported it back when Eich made the donation) to being as objectively wrong as murder? What kind of self-reinforcing social bubble have you created that makes you think those two are equivalent? You say "crime" and "was clearly guilty" for actions that are…

Discriminating against a group of people is objectively wrong, unless you disagree with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Re: UnGoogled Chromium: Chromium with enhanced privacy, control and transparency

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Post by sprafa »

gnarbarian wrote: post #221
sprafa wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He is not a woman and he is not a part of an historically discriminated against group. You're making a huge false equivalence that ignores one simple thing: he resigned BECAUSE he was found to support discriminatory policies. If the problem is discrimination then he was part of the problem. Women who resigned because they are harassed are victims of discrimination. Men who resign because they SUPPORT discrimination a…

>historically discriminated against group So when does reparations end? Is there some objective condition that can be met where we can all agree to stop trying to prop certain groups up while discouraging others? I personally don't think that's possible. We would spend the rest of time trying to correct perceived wrongs done to categories of people for hundreds of years. It's far more sane to simply agree to NOT disc…

What I'm trying to say is that I agree with you. Eich didn't, which is why I can't defend him. He agreed with discrimination.

Re: UnGoogled Chromium: Chromium with enhanced privacy, control and transparency

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Post by sprafa »

smsm42 wrote: post #418
sprafa wrote: post #213

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The only way this will work is if you keep pretending he had no say in the matter. He resigned. Get over it.

By "say" you mean that if he wanted, he could've stayed and Mozilla as an organization would support him and he wouldn't have any trouble? Yeah right.

Of course he would have had trouble, enough that he felt like he had to go. But this was a personal issue between him and his colleagues. Comparing it into company-wide discrimination is not helpful. You're comparing a matter of policy (company-wide discrimination) with a matter of personal politics (can't work with this guy because we don't agree with him, plus he's using my added value as a way to attack my way of life).

The end results are the same but the mechanism isn't. Could his colleagues have been more accommodating of his views ? Maybe. But they didn't. That's a personal problem that comes from a large cultural clash.

Re: UnGoogled Chromium: Chromium with enhanced privacy, control and transparency

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Post by smsm42 »

sprafa wrote: post #436
smsm42 wrote: post #418

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By "say" you mean that if he wanted, he could've stayed and Mozilla as an organization would support him and he wouldn't have any trouble? Yeah right.

Of course he would have had trouble, enough that he felt like he had to go. But this was a personal issue between him and his colleagues. Comparing it into company-wide discrimination is not helpful. You're comparing a matter of policy (company-wide discrimination) with a matter of personal politics (can't work with this guy because we don't agree with him, plus he's using my added value as a way to attack my way of…

> But this was a personal issue between him and his colleagues.

No it wasn't "personal issue". There was no personal issues with Eich, no evidence of anybody having personal beef with him - either because of sexual orientation issues or any other - was ever documented. It was a purely political issue, namely - political pressure to punish Eich for holding a particular viewpoint, completely unrelated to his job performance.

> Comparing it into company-wide discrimination is not helpful.

There was neither wide nor narrow discrimination. There wasn't any. Discrimination was not the issue. Thoughtcrime on Eich's part was.

> can't work with this guy because we don't agree with him

If you can't work with people that disagree with you, you should work as a lighthouse watcher, ranger in a remote mountainous region, hermit or another profession that puts you out of contact with people. People should not have to lose jobs because you disagree with them.

> Could his colleagues have been more accommodating of his views ? Maybe.

Nobody asked his colleagues to be "accommodating" to anything. The only thing was to have minimum decency to not throw out a person because he committed a thoughtcrime. That proved to high a bar for Mozilla. Thus they organization will now have to live with infamy of what they did. It takes years to build trust, it takes one case like this to destroy it.

> That's a personal problem that comes from a large cultural clash.

There was no "clash". Eich did not "clash" with anybody. There was a campaign of personal destruction, which run him out of the job, and which in eyes of many - including me - branded Mozilla as organization which is cowardly, disloyal to their loyal workers, and easily manipulated by hate mobs.

Re: UnGoogled Chromium: Chromium with enhanced privacy, control and transparency

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Post by smsm42 »

sprafa wrote: post #214
tajen wrote: post #190

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Women resign everyday "because they can't manage effectively" when, if fact, it's harassment. You could justify any discrimination with "he quit, that was his choice". Today the discrimination is against someone who held a political opinion some day in his past. Or should I say "in his/her/its/Apachehelicopter" past as to not assume their gender and not condemn my future ability to be CEO?

He is not a woman and he is not a part of an historically discriminated against group. You're making a huge false equivalence that ignores one simple thing: he resigned BECAUSE he was found to support discriminatory policies. If the problem is discrimination then he was part of the problem. Women who resigned because they are harassed are victims of discrimination. Men who resign because they SUPPORT discrimination a…

> he resigned BECAUSE he was found to support discriminatory policies

This is false. He resigned because he was a target of personal destruction campaign, and received no support from people who he had to work with/for. The was attacked by political activists and his organization threw him under the bus.

> Women who resigned because they are harassed are victims of discrimination

He was harassed plenty. Of course, not the same harassment - not of sexual kind - but it didn't make his environment less hostile, wasn't less related to work performance or wasn't less personally painful and hurtful. The only difference is that you think it's OK to harass him - because he deserved it for committing the thoughtcrime.

> The crime begets the punishment.

Here we get to the point. Disagreeing with the orthodoxy is the crime, and be happy your punishment is only losing your job and not the room 101. We get it, believe me.

Re: UnGoogled Chromium: Chromium with enhanced privacy, control and transparency

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Post by noir_lord »

_euvw wrote: post #310
Ruud-v-A wrote: post #308

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In what sense? I’m using Chrome Beta on Android, and I don’t recall being prompted to log in. Perhaps there was such a prompt during initial setup, but it has never tried to log me in quietly since.

On a fresh Android, at first boot, it will ask you if you want to sync stuff. I always choose 'no'. I then proceed onto the settings app, into 'accounts'. There, I tap 'Google' and lo and behold: App-data, Calendar, Contacts, Google Fit Data and People details are all ticked to sync. I turn them off. Then I open the default browser. It logs me into Google, by default. I have to explicitly tell it not to. Google reall…

And exactly mine, I flashes a ROM with pico Google apps, installed FF so chrome doesn't exist on my phone at all.

Re: UnGoogled Chromium: Chromium with enhanced privacy, control and transparency

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Post by AgentME »

AgentME wrote: post #377
majewsky wrote: post #301

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Maybe their regex checks for Firefox on Windows and you're on some other OS?

Oh, that's probably it. I'm on Linux.

(Though the problem also happens on OS X.)
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