Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by zeveb » Wed, Oct 05, 2016, 9:54 PM UTC

DominikR wrote: post #163

zeveb wrote: post #148

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> You are not entitled to do whatever you feel is right on the platform of someone else. An iPhone-owner's phone is not Apple's platform: it's its owner's platform. It is not Apple's property once money has been exchanged for the phone.

Now read again what he wrote: > From what I understand, Apple doesn't force anyone. It's up to them to use it or not. They can always NOT deliver apps for iOS if they think 30% is too much. Is it not clear that he is talking about the 30% cut that Apple takes for distributing apps on their app store? Do you own the app store if you buy an iPhone? Is it this what you are saying?

> Do you own the app store if you buy an iPhone? Is that what you are saying?

No, I'm saying that if I bought an iPhone, then it would be my right to install software written by anyone I pleased on it. I'm also saying that any software developer who wishes to has a right to write software for that putative iPhone. Apple simply isn't a party to such transactions.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by tedmiston » Wed, Oct 05, 2016, 9:55 PM UTC

superfluid wrote: post #96

If I had to guess, I'd say there might have been a copyright violation with respect to downloaded docs.

From another comment:

> Just noticed that Dash offers iOS docs. I wonder if Apple has a rule against charging a fee to provide their own documentation?

That seems like a good hunch.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by wruza » Wed, Oct 05, 2016, 9:55 PM UTC

wlesieutre wrote: post #65

coldtea wrote: post #42

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> No standard update mechanism Sparkle is the de-facto standard used by almost all apps. > no standard uninstall mechanism Deleting the .app file would do that for most apps. The config files might be handy to keep around if you re-install (and are inert anyway), else it's pretty easy to remove those too. It would be nice for the OS to be able to track "all files installed by an app" though in case those are installe…

I have known several people who were otherwise pretty competent computer users but would download a DMG, mount it, and run the app from the disk image every time. There's a reason so many downloads include a custom background image with a big "DRAG ME TO THE APPLICATIONS FOLDER" message and an arrow pointed to a /Applications alias. This is such a common use case that I don't understand why Apple didn't just make a "…

>"Do you want to install this to the Applications folder?"

This is a sort of question that makes me hate windows. Do you want to browse files or play music? Do you want to uninstall program? Do you want to change that setting? You have unused icons, so I decided to install updates now, you can't stop me. Oh, come on!

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by threeseed » Wed, Oct 05, 2016, 9:55 PM UTC

duncanawoods wrote: post #89

DiabloD3 wrote: post #50

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Not allowing third party stores in the Store is a security feature because they can install APKs that have not passed through Google's security scanner. Google does not prohibit you from installing third party stores. Also, how are they using their dominance for search and browsers to do something? I can install Firefox on Android, I cannot install Firefox on iOS. I can do "Hey, Cortana" if I install Cortana on my An…

>> The EU thinks that they can post-facto change the law to effect Irish companies. This is illegal and immoral. You are severely misinformed. Ireland broke rules it agreed to under treaty in order to join the single market that have been enforced for decades, often regarding EU based companies. State aid is defined as giving advantages to one company but not others, thereby distorting competitive markets. Ireland is…

Before stating as fact what Ireland did or did not do it is worth waiting until the results of the appeal process.

It isn't as clear cut since Ireland is stating that they never offered Apple any unique benefits but rather there were available for any company in a similar situation.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by tedmiston » Wed, Oct 05, 2016, 9:55 PM UTC

hellofunk wrote: post #71

hellofunk wrote: post #61

I hope we will see an update here or somewhere soon that provides more information on why it was removed.

Just noticed that Dash offers iOS docs. I wonder if Apple has a rule against charging a fee to provide their own documentation?

Or perhaps they released beta docs too early?

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by threeseed » Wed, Oct 05, 2016, 9:56 PM UTC

serge2k wrote: post #87

coldtea wrote: post #49

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> The 'you dont have to use it' comment is moot -- iOS accounts for millions upon millions of people; you generally need to use it. No, you don't need to use it. You want to use it, and you want to make money using it -- which is a different thing, and this is what Apple charges for: having built a platform/market with millions upon millions of people in it.

Forcing you to adopt horrible customer experiences to get around a 30% tax is pretty nasty.

Calling it a tax is misleading.

It's the price Apple charges to profit from their distribution channel.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by tedmiston » Wed, Oct 05, 2016, 9:57 PM UTC

prashnts wrote: post #165

chillacy wrote: post #139

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It's a lifesaver on planes where you won't have internet. If only I could download an archive of stackoverflow too, then I'd be set.

I use `devdocs.io`. It's open source and works great!

First time seeing this site... DevDocs is nice!

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by mikestew » Wed, Oct 05, 2016, 9:58 PM UTC

izacus wrote: post #149

eridius wrote: post #63

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Give up? I wish more apps were sandboxed! If an app can function inside the sandbox (and the overwhelming majority of apps have no problem with being sandboxed) then they absolutely should be. It's a major security benefit.

Except that there are whole swaths of tools and applications that cannot be published at all due to limitations of Sandbox, making your computer limited to a whim of someone on the other side of the world.

Except that there are whole swaths of tools and applications that cannot be published at all due to limitations of Sandbox

You're right, just ditch whole damned sandbox thing because a few tools won't work.

Or in an ideal world where we didn't have to decide between one extreme or the other, we could sandbox everything that doesn't have a problem with it, reserving the exceptions for those few tools that don't get along well with a sandbox. (Vetting the hell out of those non-sandbox apps, of course, because we don't want to " limited to the whim of someone on the other side of the world" which in this case wouldn't be Apple.)

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by Reason077 » Wed, Oct 05, 2016, 9:58 PM UTC

brandon272 wrote: post #156

I don't know why anyone develops apps for Apple's walled prisons. I can't imagine the anxiety of having a widely used app in the app store, and knowing that any day, for any reason that you may or may not understand or be privy to, an invisible hand can simply reach in and shut down your account or remove your app with nothing more than a curt message about your non-compliance of their terms. No thanks!

I don't know why anyone develops apps for Apple's walled prisons.

It's because there's such a large (and arguably, wealthy and influential) incarcerated population.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by orblivion » Wed, Oct 05, 2016, 9:58 PM UTC

waterphone wrote: post #133

izacus wrote: post #41

The thing the pisses me of about these cases is this: "I called them again and they said they can’t provide more information." They terminate your account and then they even refuse to tell you why. A basic human thing, a chance to fix the issue, but no. Go f* yourself from Apple and that's it.

That's very common with anything where a company claims fraud is suspected, because they argue that sharing any details will allow scammers and people doing fraudulent activity to figure out ways to game the system. Google does the same thing when they kill your AdSense account for "invalid click activity" right before you're about to get a big payout. Amazon does the same thing with Amazon Payments. No explanation,…

They could at least say what you just said, right? At least it's an explanation for why they can't say more.