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Re: Replacement Samsung Galaxy Note 7 phone catches fire on Southwest plane

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And the event taking place on an airplane is close enough to the nightmare scenario of catching fire during a flight that it will be firmly placed into the public consciousness.

So are Li-ion battery fires considered metal fires - if so, the instinctual reaction (apply water to extinguish) would be unfortunate...

Probably lithium polymer but yeah: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yD_Eal1_5NI

My RC aircraft group has a 55 gallon drum with salt water at our flying field. RC aircraft pretty much exclusively use lithium polymer packs, sometimes 2 the size of bricks in larger models / big helis. If a lipo starts smoking, you chuck it in the salt water and it shorts it out + cools it down. The reaction when they short internally (such as when they malfunction or get damaged e.g. When a heli crashes and smashes the pack -- they're not super rigid) is more thermite than dynamite, but it can still burn through things like flying tin can aircraft.

Here's what happens when you overcharge a few on purpose and beat them with a stick: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=coX0SwubG4A

Typically there's quite a bit of warning in the form of smoke first. Not sure if the chemistry in the Samsung batteries but they're likely lithium polymer. There are tons of different chemistries though: http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/types_of_lithium_...

Re: Replacement Samsung Galaxy Note 7 phone catches fire on Southwest plane

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Does turning them off prevent them from catching on fire? What is the actual problem described in technical terms, really?

> Does turning them off prevent them from catching on fire? Doubtful. Isn't it the Li-ion batteries that are combusting, ie. chemical reaction?

They are confusing due to overheating. If the phobe is off, no heat is generated.

Re: Replacement Samsung Galaxy Note 7 phone catches fire on Southwest plane

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So are Li-ion battery fires considered metal fires - if so, the instinctual reaction (apply water to extinguish) would be unfortunate...

Probably lithium polymer but yeah: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yD_Eal1_5NI My RC aircraft group has a 55 gallon drum with salt water at our flying field. RC aircraft pretty much exclusively use lithium polymer packs, sometimes 2 the size of bricks in larger models / big helis. If a lipo starts smoking, you chuck it in the salt water and it shorts it out + cools it down. The reaction when they short internally (such…

I thought LiFePO4 was common in RC circles? Or only for ground vehicles, or already outdated knowledge?

Re: Replacement Samsung Galaxy Note 7 phone catches fire on Southwest plane

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This entire episode seems hard to believe. How could Sammy fail so hard after so many years of industry knowledge? What corners did they cut? Is it just unbalanced reporting or possibly sabotage? Seriously don't believe they got wrong what everyone else seems to have dodged.

"Misunderstandings and neglect create more confusion in this world than trickery and malice. At any rate, the last two are certainly much less frequent." -Johann Wolfgang Goethe

"Let us not attribute to malice and cruelty what may be referred to less criminal motives. Do we not often afflict others undesignedly, and, from mere carelessness, neglect to relieve distress?" -Jane West

It's not hard to believe that Samsung has made mistakes, and maybe under the pressure to fix those mistakes has made yet more. It's unfortunate and probably speaks to some cultural issues at the top, but it hardly requires external forces.

Re: Replacement Samsung Galaxy Note 7 phone catches fire on Southwest plane

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So replaceable batteries dont explode?

They can, but you can separate the device from the battery in case of recalls, thus preventing natural resource waste. Also, my Galaxy Note 1 battery blew up on me because I used a cheap charger. I simply took it out, disposed of it at a city waste center, and put in a new battery for 15€. Try this with a "closed" phone. Either you can do it yourself, which requires at minimum 3h time + specialized equipment (e.g. re…

I can't speak for the Galaxy Note, but when I replaced the battery on my iPhone, it took me perhaps twenty minutes with minimal tools (screwdrivers, suction cup, plastic "spudger" -- all supplied with the battery) and no prior experience. Could probably do it in half the time with practice.

Re: Replacement Samsung Galaxy Note 7 phone catches fire on Southwest plane

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> but I think it is unreasonable to try and link every single battery issue and explosion under the Samsung brand as something that is a precursor to another giant issue. I disagree. Given that this phone model already had battery problems, it is not at all irrational to assume the new battery problems are related to (or the same as) the old ones. That's far likelier than the new problems happening by pure coincidenc…

Perhaps I have more faith in a company whose decision it was to recall all of those phones. They knew that all eyes would be on them after the fact, and to mess up again could be the beginning of the end for their brand. I would think that extra care would have been given in making sure these issues were fixed before releasing them again. Another point to keep in mind is that in perspective, the amount of issues that…

I'm sure they felt if they waited too long the opportunity they had would be lost. (there was a ton of great press before the Note 7 launched, and I'm sure there was a feeling that this was their moment to really shine against an Apple launch)

Re: Replacement Samsung Galaxy Note 7 phone catches fire on Southwest plane

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This entire episode seems hard to believe. How could Sammy fail so hard after so many years of industry knowledge? What corners did they cut? Is it just unbalanced reporting or possibly sabotage? Seriously don't believe they got wrong what everyone else seems to have dodged.

They're not the only ones, even recently. http://arstechnica.com/science/2016/08/mcdonalds-recalls-hap... http://thenextweb.com/gadgets/2016/08/04/psa-basis-peak-wear... http://www.pcworld.com/article/3050377/hardware/major-toshib... https://www.nextpowerup.com/news/29739/xiaomi-mi-band-2-is-p... https://www.cpsc.gov/Recalls/2016/Denon-Recalls-Rechargeable...

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"I think the way Samsung handled the whole situation was above and beyond how other companies may have responded." LOL, you mean like follow the proper legal process for filing a recall in the US? Yeah... they did none of that. What exactly was "above and beyond"?? Seriously, I'm not even joking, I'm genuinely curious as from my perspective they did the absolute bare minimum, and took an insane amount of time to even…

I define above and beyond as recalling all of their defective product with no questions asked, offering a substitute while they fix the problem, and then finally replacing the phones to anyone who wants to try them again. If this is a poor company response please let me know who has done better as I would too like to do business with them instead. Clearly my experiences with companies have been drastically different…

Recalling and replacing a product that can spontaneously catch fire is not going "above and beyond". It is the bare minimum.
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