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Re: Yahoo scanned customer emails for US intelligence

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So, is this correct, in this context? Pass: Apple, Google Fail: Microsoft, Yahoo Unknown: Facebook, Twitter

Fail: Microsoft?

Microsoft has totally crushed any confidence in automatic updates. That would be enough for me to count them in. Why again should I trust them?

I liked Windows 7. I set up an AD domain at home to use it. Now I feel forced to move to Linux.

Re: Yahoo scanned customer emails for US intelligence

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I was honestly a bit unhappy when Stamos left Yahoo in the middle of a bunch of (what seemed like) cool projects for users -- seemed like he was just jumping ship from an objectively pretty crappy company to a continuing-to-accelerate rocketship, presumably for career reasons. However, if it went down like this -- he did probably the least destructive thing possible. I probably would have gone public or done somethin…

This should forever taint Marissa Meyer's reputation. Failure to save Yahoo is understandable. Disregard for user privacy and safety at this scale is unforgivable.

As the saying, attributed to Burke (but whose precise origins are unknown) goes:

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good [men and women] do nothing."

Both Meyer and Stamos made their choices, on this issue.

Re: Yahoo scanned customer emails for US intelligence

#63
post #56

So, is this correct, in this context? Pass: Apple, Google Fail: Microsoft, Yahoo Unknown: Facebook, Twitter

Google is definitely in cahoots with the government and probably way deeper than Yahoo. Why would you even assume otherwise, given how much ties to the government they expose to the public these days?

Why would you assume they are? Do you have any proof to backup your theory? And try to provide actual proof.

Re: Yahoo scanned customer emails for US intelligence

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post #56

So, is this correct, in this context? Pass: Apple, Google Fail: Microsoft, Yahoo Unknown: Facebook, Twitter

Google is definitely in cahoots with the government and probably way deeper than Yahoo. Why would you even assume otherwise, given how much ties to the government they expose to the public these days?

As a European I have to I assume all major US companies in this area are either infiltrated or willingly participating in pervasive surveillance.

It's still interesting to know which companies have been actually exposed for this kind abuse of their customers' trust.

Re: Yahoo scanned customer emails for US intelligence

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much trouble would someone like Google be in if they gave a "warrant canary" style answer? "I'm sorry, we are unable to answer your question" would speak volumes without actually saying anything. But I suppose that the order forbids "disclosure", and that statement is arguably disclosure...

The article says: "Alphabet Inc's Google and Microsoft Corp, two major U.S. email service providers, did not respond to requests for comment." Isn't that pretty much saying "I'm sorry, we are unable to answer your question"? If they weren't doing the same thing as Yahoo, they could say so.

They might be doing something different, that they still can't speak about.

Re: Yahoo scanned customer emails for US intelligence

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I think the attitude here that most tech companies are rolling over and just complying without a single ethical consideration is misplaced. The government has been doing an excellent job of basically extorting these companies into compliance. They threaten the full weight of the US government's wraith and then tie every order up with classifications and gag orders. You aren't legally allowed to talk to other companie…

Isn't this the same as the Snowden revelations?

No. This is from last year. Snowden came out in 2013.

Re: Yahoo scanned customer emails for US intelligence

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post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The white house is above the NSA and FBI, so wouldn't access to their bosses preclude them being coerced?

On the org chart it may be, but when the three letter mafia is blackmailing you what can you do, even as the president?

You can fire them, have them arrested, and/or have them disappear to anywhere you like. Presidents are pretty powerful.

Re: Yahoo scanned customer emails for US intelligence

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post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The white house is above the NSA and FBI, so wouldn't access to their bosses preclude them being coerced?

On the org chart it may be, but when the three letter mafia is blackmailing you what can you do, even as the president?

If you actually wanted to do something, call them out on it. Blackmail is highly illegal, and if it actually goes anywhere, your VP can always pardon you.

Re: Yahoo scanned customer emails for US intelligence

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I mean, think about the threats from .gov, right?

$250k per day doubling every week that can come with a gag order sounds like the sort of thing that could damage a business to the point of extinction, no?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/11/yahoo-nsa-laws...

Re: Yahoo scanned customer emails for US intelligence

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much trouble would someone like Google be in if they gave a "warrant canary" style answer? "I'm sorry, we are unable to answer your question" would speak volumes without actually saying anything. But I suppose that the order forbids "disclosure", and that statement is arguably disclosure...

The article says: "Alphabet Inc's Google and Microsoft Corp, two major U.S. email service providers, did not respond to requests for comment." Isn't that pretty much saying "I'm sorry, we are unable to answer your question"? If they weren't doing the same thing as Yahoo, they could say so.

No, it means Microsoft and Alphabet are not commenting on evidence implicating Yahoo!'s surveillance with the NSA.

It's basic PR for big brands to avoid getting quoted in the messes their competitor gets into.

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