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Re: Yahoo scanned customer emails for US intelligence

#11
I think the attitude here that most tech companies are rolling over and just complying without a single ethical consideration is misplaced.

The government has been doing an excellent job of basically extorting these companies into compliance. They threaten the full weight of the US government's wraith and then tie every order up with classifications and gag orders.

You aren't legally allowed to talk to other companies in the same position. Most your legal team probably doesn't get to know what's going on. You can't take your case to the public without being held in contempt.

I'm not giving these companies a complete pass for being complicit in the erosion of individual's civil liberties but treating this as if the decision is easy is vastly unfair.

Re: Yahoo scanned customer emails for US intelligence

#12
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like she was a pretty terrible CEO all-around. But as a user, I would never use a service run by Marissa Mayer again. She lost that trust for good.

I'm not a fan of Mayer's, but sounds like she didn't want to fight the order since that hadn't worked in the past: "Yahoo in 2007 had fought a FISA demand that it conduct searches on specific email accounts without a court-approved warrant. Details of the case remain sealed, but a partially redacted published opinion showed Yahoo's challenge was unsuccessful." Her real mistake was going directly to the e-mail team to…

Not winning on specific account searches is very different than not even fighting global access. Orders of magnitude different.

Re: Yahoo scanned customer emails for US intelligence

#13
post #5
post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like she was a pretty terrible CEO all-around. But as a user, I would never use a service run by Marissa Mayer again. She lost that trust for good.

> But as a user, I would never use a service run by Marissa Mayer again. She lost that trust for good. Realistically, this is every American company. Why trust anyone?

Microsoft and Apple have both been in court during the last 12 months to block US government over-reach. Yahoo joins Amazon in ethusiastically facilitating it. Your assertion isn't realistic, it's nonsense.

Re: Yahoo scanned customer emails for US intelligence

#15
Lets take it a different way:

You're knowingly sending your data to a 3rd party. You're not encrypting. It's not through the USPS (special protections).

It seems bloody evident that, of course, your email provider can read your emails! Unless you're encrypting with GPG, then they can (and they can still read the signing keys).

Yahoo, Google, and friends all scan, dedup, and all sorts of tricks to determine marketing and quality content (spamming). If you're worried, run your own mailserver. It's what I do, along with using gmail. But I know that, at any time, people/scripts/ai are reading everything sent and received.

edit: I'd much prefer to hear commentary/how wrong/how right/how crazy I am, rather than -1's.I'd like to hear a discussion about the "Secrecy of text written on postcards"....

Re: Yahoo scanned customer emails for US intelligence

#16

Now gotta wonder if Google has succumbed to government pressure to do the same. I'm really hoping and trusting they haven't.

It's not just pressure, it's an order by government. Court orders aren't really optional.

And as much as you might think this is a huge problem, it's a bigger problem with companies aren't restrained by government orders. Imagine if Exceleon politely declined to allow nuclear inspections.

Re: Yahoo scanned customer emails for US intelligence

#17

  Yahoo Inc last year secretly built a custom software program to
  search all of its customers' incoming emails for specific
  information provided by U.S. intelligence officials, according
  to people familiar with the matter.
Wonder how much of the 4.8 billion can be attributed this custom software program?

Re: Yahoo scanned customer emails for US intelligence

#19
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't bet a bent penny on it: "Experts said it was likely that the NSA or FBI had approached other Internet companies with the same demand, since they evidently did not know what email accounts were being used by the target. The NSA usually makes requests for domestic surveillance through the FBI, so it is hard to know which agency is seeking the information. Reuters was unable to confirm whether the 2015 demand…

"It's not a hard question to answer. You either are or are not searching all emails in realtime at the behest of the NSA." It's easy to answer if you're not. If you are, you can't answer (at least not truthfully).

How much trouble would someone like Google be in if they gave a "warrant canary" style answer? "I'm sorry, we are unable to answer your question" would speak volumes without actually saying anything.

But I suppose that the order forbids "disclosure", and that statement is arguably disclosure...

Re: Yahoo scanned customer emails for US intelligence

#20
From the article: "Some surveillance experts said this represents the first case to surface of a U.S. Internet company agreeing to a spy agency's demand by searching all arriving messages, as opposed to examining stored messages or scanning a small number of accounts in real time."

The first case to surface. Anybody else could have been doing it for just as long, but we don't know yet.

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