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From Syria to Sweden – 200 voices on escaping the war

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Re: From Syria to Sweden – 200 voices on escaping the war

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Post by petriw »

krona wrote: post #37
erikrothoff wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And I am a Swede and would consider taking your comment with a huge grain of salt.

I have relatives in Sweden and I find the disparity between what is reported by external (non-Swedish) media about events happening in Sweden and what the Swedish mainstream media itself reports is deeply disturbing.

I have relatives living in the USA and the news they see from Sweden seems to make them think Sweden is descending into chaos.

Their imagination had run quite wild.

Re: From Syria to Sweden – 200 voices on escaping the war

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Post by piva00 »

staticelf wrote: post #33
croon wrote: post #25

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I'm not sure what this argument is. It's equally likely that you dislike it because it doesn't conform to your views, regardless who's "right".

It is an argument that shows I care about the truth, not political opinion when reading about the world.

The "truth" in this case might just be based on your bias also, don't you agree? The parent comment could just as equally care about the truth in his own bias, who is the one who can judge what is objectively the truth or not?

Re: From Syria to Sweden – 200 voices on escaping the war

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Post by kartan »

barpet wrote: post #42

Why should Europe feel responsible for these people ? Europe has a ton of problems with roma people and the poor. Why should a newly integrated Syrian cook should earn more than a middle aged women in Romania ?

> Why should Europe feel responsible for these people?

Because they are human beings. I think than that's more than enough.

BTW Europe has a lot of really big problems with Banks. And that has a lot bigger impact that anything else in our economy. That's also something interesting to talk about.

Re: From Syria to Sweden – 200 voices on escaping the war

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Post by DominikR »

krona wrote: post #37
erikrothoff wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And I am a Swede and would consider taking your comment with a huge grain of salt.

I have relatives in Sweden and I find the disparity between what is reported by external (non-Swedish) media about events happening in Sweden and what the Swedish mainstream media itself reports is deeply disturbing.

What do your relatives in Sweden say about this?

Re: From Syria to Sweden – 200 voices on escaping the war

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Post by nostromo123 »

kartan wrote: post #44
barpet wrote: post #42

Why should Europe feel responsible for these people ? Europe has a ton of problems with roma people and the poor. Why should a newly integrated Syrian cook should earn more than a middle aged women in Romania ?

> Why should Europe feel responsible for these people? Because they are human beings. I think than that's more than enough. BTW Europe has a lot of really big problems with Banks. And that has a lot bigger impact that anything else in our economy. That's also something interesting to talk about.

"Because they are human beings" is a naive answer.

My parents have worked 45 years as teachers in Romania, and now they get the equivalent of 300$ monthly combined in pension money. Romania is also not such a cheap country as you'd think.

Now, seeing as how even non-refugee migrants from typical holiday countries in North Africa get lots more money than that per month in the German welfare system, we have two options for thinking about the situation:

1) Conclude that my parents are not human beings, so it is right that they should receive less money than the migrants in richer countries

2) My parents should also be entitled to the same money, and Europe should feel responsible for them, too

Which one do you pick?

Re: From Syria to Sweden – 200 voices on escaping the war

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Post by nostromo123 »

gambiting wrote: post #34
return0 wrote: post #30

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No they can't pack things and move elsewhere because they have no papers. Asylum applications are processed in the country of entry.

I'm sure that people who escaped war don't give a shit about having papers - they just want to be treated like people, not dogs, so if you put them in a camp with horrible conditions it's only natural that some of them will go somewhere else, whether they have papers or not. I still don't see how my original statement is incorrect.

If they want to be treated as people, maybe they should not try to forcefully and violently break through borders, throw away food they are offered by volunteers because it's "not halal", or set fires to their own camps. To be treated as a human being, you have to first behave like a human being.

Re: From Syria to Sweden – 200 voices on escaping the war

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Post by barpet »

kartan wrote: post #44
barpet wrote: post #42

Why should Europe feel responsible for these people ? Europe has a ton of problems with roma people and the poor. Why should a newly integrated Syrian cook should earn more than a middle aged women in Romania ?

> Why should Europe feel responsible for these people? Because they are human beings. I think than that's more than enough. BTW Europe has a lot of really big problems with Banks. And that has a lot bigger impact that anything else in our economy. That's also something interesting to talk about.

So your fellow europeans are not human beings ? So we save one and let the other starve because we do not hear about it or we do not want to ? Are not you a bit hypocritical ?

Re: From Syria to Sweden – 200 voices on escaping the war

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Post by barpet »

nostromo123 wrote: post #46
kartan wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why should Europe feel responsible for these people? Because they are human beings. I think than that's more than enough. BTW Europe has a lot of really big problems with Banks. And that has a lot bigger impact that anything else in our economy. That's also something interesting to talk about.

"Because they are human beings" is a naive answer. My parents have worked 45 years as teachers in Romania, and now they get the equivalent of 300$ monthly combined in pension money. Romania is also not such a cheap country as you'd think. Now, seeing as how even non-refugee migrants from typical holiday countries in North Africa get lots more money than that per month in the German welfare system, we have two options…

According to these people your parents are at fault :-). They should have either 1) worked in the German factories in Romania and get +200$ more 2) immigrate to Germany to work in the German factories and earn +2000$ more 3) immigrate to Germany and raise you as a German

My point is. Romania should not feel responsible and should not do as Germany dictates.

Romania is trying hard to overcome its corrupt post-communist past but they have a lot of problems to deal with in the first place.

Re: From Syria to Sweden – 200 voices on escaping the war

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Post by barpet »

gambiting wrote: post #34
return0 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No they can't pack things and move elsewhere because they have no papers. Asylum applications are processed in the country of entry.

I'm sure that people who escaped war don't give a shit about having papers - they just want to be treated like people, not dogs, so if you put them in a camp with horrible conditions it's only natural that some of them will go somewhere else, whether they have papers or not. I still don't see how my original statement is incorrect.

So it's okay for them to break the rules because they have escaped the war and at the same time it's wrong for the countries obeying the rules and laws to protect the borders. Because....reasons...
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