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Ask HN: How do you keep motivated if nobody supports you?

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Re: Ask HN: How do you keep motivated if nobody supports you?

#151
PS-->English is not my first language, please do not roast me for my grammar and sentence formation

1. you should distinguish yourself as either a copy paste coder, or a genuinely articulate engineering guy who loves to churn original stuff.

2. if #1 is true, then you should continue to pursue coding as hobby and help your old man in putting his affairs in order by using your skill set.

3. if #2 is true then 1. are you positioning your self correctly? 2. are you reaching out to right set of hiring managers? 3. are you able to effectively communicate in your own mother tongue about your skill set? forget English, clairvoyance could be be exhibited in your language as well. 4. did you analyze why you flunked your interviews, was it communication or technology? 5. are you a guy who starts 20 different things or projects and complete very few. 6. do you have a github page to showcase your technological prowess?

After you analyse your self, ask question, why your brain is so adamant and thinking about taxes etc? could it be way to escape for not accepting that you are not a good engineer?

Your father has given you food and education with his EMPIRE and he is still running it successfully, i would say since he is still supporting you.

Very few of us are luck to have old man setup a running business, if you are not doing any thing right now, sit with him, help him in optimizing his business with your skills, trust me in bad days 1 in hand is better then 2 in bush. Ask him to pay you salary for your time so that you feel independent and lookout for good opportunities simultaneously.

Re: Ask HN: How do you keep motivated if nobody supports you?

#152
PS-->English is not my first language, please do not roast me for my grammar and sentence formation

1. you should distinguish yourself as either a copy paste coder, or a genuinely articulate engineering guy who loves to churn original stuff.

2. if #1 is true, then you should continue to pursue coding as hobby and help your old man in putting his affairs in order by using your skill set.

3. if #2 is true then 1. are you positioning your self correctly? 2. are you reaching out to right set of hiring managers? 3. are you able to effectively communicate in your own mother tongue about your skill set? forget English, clairvoyance could be be exhibited in your language as well. 4. did you analyze why you flunked your interviews, was it communication or technology? 5. are you a guy who starts 20 different things or projects and complete very few. 6. do you have a github page to showcase your technological prowess?

After you analyse your self, ask question, why your brain is so adamant and thinking about taxes etc? could it be way to escape for not accepting that you are not a good engineer?

Your father has given you food and education with his EMPIRE and he is still running it successfully, i would say since he is still supporting you.

Very few of us are luck to have old man setup a running business, if you are not doing any thing right now, sit with him, help him in optimizing his business with your skills, trust me in bad days 1 in hand is better then 2 in bush. Ask him to pay you salary for your time so that you feel independent and lookout for good opportunities simultaneously.

Re: Ask HN: How do you keep motivated if nobody supports you?

#153
post #27

I'm not sure why people consistently get hung up on getting accepted at one of the "Big Five" "I tried to look for a job out of my city, but no luck, I don’t know what’s the deal with coding interviews, but I bet they don’t work good. I’ve been rejected from" ... Google Facebook Magic Uber Holagus (Mexican startup) I'm not sure what draws everyone to places like this when there are ~many~ other companies. Also does t…

It would appear the draw is the massive (2x?) compensation difference, and getting to do good work rather than "shit fast, shit often" work.

Isn't most of the compensation due you receive going towards just existing (rent/taxes/living expenses) in cities like SF or Seattle with inflated costs of living?

I wouldn't say that any company that ~ins't~ a large corporation only has the mindset of "ship fast/ship often"

Re: Ask HN: How do you keep motivated if nobody supports you?

#154
Personal similar story. I am doing programming since school, and sensing that I am really good at it, my dad encouraged programming instead of family business as carrier. Unfortunately my dad pass away before I become enough successful. I had to return to our family business and take care of it. Many years reading success story here and elsewhere about software companies thriving, I reconsidered my decision many a times, ultimately decided that I should not let internet brainwash me. Great successful things happen when you do anything everyday just a little bit better than yesterday. That's what kept me going still. I may not reach to the Fortune 500 level of success doing so, but I may, because I think I'm going on right path. A better day everyday.

Re: Ask HN: How do you keep motivated if nobody supports you?

#155

Since you're asking, I will tell you what I would do, and what you will think is blasphemy: I would take your dad's offer. I would start working with him. I'm sure you're a very good coder; don't get me wrong. But despite what you'll hear, there are a lot of them out there. If you think you're the best programmer around, it just means you haven't looked very hard. Remember, software is never an end but always a means…

I have to disagree. Going with the family business is the easy way out. OP has great potential and skills that shouldn't be wasted that way. OP is going about getting a job the wrong way. Many good, experienced people won't get so much as a "no thanks" when applying to the likes of Google, Facebook, Uber, etc. for myriad reasons. If OP is serious about a career in software engineering, he needs to apply to more than…

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Re: Ask HN: How do you keep motivated if nobody supports you?

#156

Dude, your english is not great. I am Mexican myself and believe it or not, that's a big show stopper. I applied to 37Signals back in 2008 or 2009 and my english was so bad that they won't even bother to reply (And they wrote a blog post shortly that they wouldn't even respond to poor communicators :P) That wouldn't explain why the holagus guys wouldn't hire you, tho ;) This is my advice: 1. Forget about going to a j…

Side question: how did you improve your english? Was it deliberate practice or just something you get better at

Re: Ask HN: How do you keep motivated if nobody supports you?

#157

Since you're asking, I will tell you what I would do, and what you will think is blasphemy: I would take your dad's offer. I would start working with him. I'm sure you're a very good coder; don't get me wrong. But despite what you'll hear, there are a lot of them out there. If you think you're the best programmer around, it just means you haven't looked very hard. Remember, software is never an end but always a means…

So many great answers here, but I have to agree with this one.

I have similar but not identical experience. I was growing up surrounded by people who owned everything from family type business to SMBs to large businesses and it was totally natural for me to start working at my family's company anytime I was asked to do so.

I had hobbies too, I was programming, I was playing games, but it was routine for me to spent between 10-20hours/week with my family in our business. I don't regret any minute of that, because I have learned so many things - I gradually gained experience in f2f sales, phone sales, communication, working in team, basics of accounting, working with other people and I can continue. Later, I was even able to to solve some of the main problems with programming - www, eshop, soc networks, crm, etc. That all before the age of 23.

There will never be a better teacher than my father and grandfather, because family based business has many important advantages, just to name few: you are allowed to do mistakes and fix them without any harm, you are allowed to ask for help anytime you need without bothering someone, you are part of the team from day 0 and you are even allowed to lose money into some extend.

From my point of view, you are late, very late. You should have joined your family business around the same age you started with computers. Just go and jump on that track as fast as you can. I'm grateful for the possibility to discover the nature of running family based company and scale it to some extend.

Gained experience in different fields will definitely help you to create better and useful software. Sometimes I feel like devs around me see the technologies(programming languages, buzz-worded tools, AIs) like the most important thing in every project, but in the end, these are just instruments which allows us to create products with added value for real customers and be able to recognize what is added value which can earn some money, is the most important skill.

Apparently, you are able to create beautiful stuff. But none of them seems to me to be either finished or brings some added value. Go out of your comfort zone, it will help you to see the World from different perspective.

Re: Ask HN: How do you keep motivated if nobody supports you?

#158

Ok, I know how you feel. You are 26yo and you are definitely a good programmer. The problem: You're not 10yo anymore, so no one will congratulate you for building your bots and games. You realized that. You are intelligent like many others in this industry. You've understood that you had potential and now you've got the feeling that you wasted it. Otherwise I can't explain that all your writing is directed towards yo…

I'd like to second most of the advice here. The three critical bits that stand out for me:

1. Lots of projects don't really mean much. More can be worse, as it (potentially) shows an inability to focus on a task. Instead, reduce it to a few core projects. List what technologies they use, what problems they solve and how you solved them. Ideally, upload them to github so that people can see the source code.

2. Move. You're going to have to take the plunge and believe in yourself. Especially if visas are involved, it's far easier to hire someone locally if you have the choice. To be considered for a visa for a common job like programming, you would need to be absolutely amazing.

3. Aptitude. As someone who's hired over a dozen people in various tech and supporting roles, aptitude and team fit are just as if not more critical than actual technical skill. There's no point hiring the greatest programmer in the world if they aren't going to be a good fit or if they can't adapt to different processes. Good programmers are adaptable because they're able to change languages and environments yet carry over their skills in the process.

Good luck finding your path, don't forget to have fun along the way!

Re: Ask HN: How do you keep motivated if nobody supports you?

#159
I think you need to take a break, like other people have said, and reconnect with friends. If you can't visit them, at least email them and ask how they're doing. It seems like a lot of your self-image is wrapped up in being a software creator, and I think you need to decouple it more. I understand how you're under pressure now, like you're looking at each project like it might be the thing that gets you noticed, but you're just compounding the stress on yourself.

Take a break. Think about what you really want to do, and how support from others is necessary. The great founder myth obscures how everyone needs support and encouragement from others to keep going.

You're not too old. Don't compare where you are with where you 'should' be, because I think you have an unrealistic image of where you should be. Any success you have now won't live up to that image, and you'll beat yourself up again and again. You gotta break out of that cycle.

Your parents probably see how unhappy you are, and are trying to guide you to a path where they think you can be happy. They're probably wrong, but I bet they want the best for you and are trying to help in the ways they know how. They're probably frustrated themselves and all that, but go give them some thanks.

You're gonna do okay.

Re: Ask HN: How do you keep motivated if nobody supports you?

#160
post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also mexican. Not sure what visa you are trying to get. But if you just want to work in USA it is very easy to get a visa if you are Mexican and you have a relevant degree. Look at TN Visa. You just need an offer letter. 3 close friends have done that and the process was very simple. https://travel.state.gov/content/visas/en/employment/nafta.h...

Not that easy. There are a limited quantity each year and the process is excruciatingly long. I was sponsored, had a company-sponsored lawyer helping me and I was rejected still. I get depressed for, like, two years after that.

https://www.uscis.gov/archive/archive-news/nafta-professiona...

There is no limited quantity. The process is very simple, basically you show the offer letter to the officer, answer some questions, prove you have a degree and you are done, no need for lawyer.

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