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Speaking as someone who has never gone to traffic court, can you tell me how the system handles people with lawyers versus people without lawyers?
We answered this on crypto nerd Slack but I'll repeat for the benefit of the class: In Cook County, at least, you're given a time to appear in court. Everyone appears at that time. Cases are handled in alphabetical order. But: if you have a lawyer, your case is handled first --- the lawyers are on the clock, you see --- so there's about an hour and a half of waiting for lawyer after lawyer to come up and get their cl…
Lost Diamonds: How our current system is failing underprivileged talent
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#262Earlier quoted context omitted.
It often happens that those parents in addition to $1m also "lend" a vast amount of knowledge of how certain social structures and systems work, and how to operate efficiently within them. They also can serve as a "trust provider", which is a great thing to have when executing business transactions. If given the opportunity to choose between those things and the money, I would take the "inside knowledge" every time.…
That sounds like an interesting experiment. My parents provided neither money, nor knowledge on social structures. Personally, I'd take the money. I can learn social structures, I can't "learn" a giant pile of bootstrap money.
But if you already know the social structures, you don't need to learn the pile of money. You can just go ask for it!
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I grew up in a stable working class family where I was encouraged to study, and feel the same way. Why do all articles like this assume it's related to an upbringing in poverty?
Because if you belong to a stable middle class family, it's not only not true, but has never been true for you for a moment?
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#264Earlier quoted context omitted.
But, as discussed, this article is about feelings not truths.
Feelings dictate how one acts. Even if you can fail, if you feel you can't, that is going to affect quite a bit how you approach things, or if you approach them at all.
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Wealthy people tend to have different attitudes about money than others, which has a strong influence on their ability to accumulate wealth. This is expounded upon in the book "Rich Dad Poor Dad". It's worth a read, especially for people who are not wealthy but aspire to it.
If you're not wealthy and aspire to it, I'd suggest not starting with a book from somebody who uses a made-up story to explain luck, giving fundamentally flawed advice. Instead, realize that the odds are against you: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/rich-kids-stay-rich-poor... And then work to acquire basic financial literacy. Which requires reading quite a few books. Here's a good starter list: http://www.getrich…
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>People who come from poverty or communities rampant with discrimination often times have to work harder for opportunities. But hard work is hard work, and there is fierce competition at every level, no matter who you are. I hesitate to take anything away from anyone's success. Tell that to the kid making iPhones in the Foxconn facility. Success isn't where you are, it's how far you've come. By that metric the most s…
Hard work is requisite, not satisfactory. You can dig ditches in your own yard for 14 hours a day and you aren't going to be successful. Similarly, you can start a business with your $1 million inherited wealth, but it has an extremely high probability of failing without hard work. >Tell that to the kid making iPhones in the Foxconn facility. I'm not even sure what your point is. GP was pointing out that competition…
I grew up with rich kids. I live in Marin County. The place your founders will end up in, if they make it big.
The rich kids, I know, didn't work that hard.
Some didn't work at all.
Even as a slight insider, they all seemed to be just having a good time, and partying a lot more than myself. They were all set up in nice houses/condos. They all had nice cars. They had the nice girlfriend. They just didn't have to worry about what poor/middle class kids gave to deal with. Crazy mom--hire someone. Alcoholic dad--hire someone. Have a life incident, like a legal problem, break down, accident--there's money to take care of the mess. A big incident for a poor/middle class kid--it could affect the rest of their lives.
They all has the chance to go to a good college, with everything paid. None of the kids, I knew, finished. "It was just boring." They all had helpful fathers, who gave them good business advice though. That good business advice, along with funds goes a long way.
A few examples:
The inventor of plastic tooth picks/a consumer dental pick. Yea, those white tooth picks you see discarded everywhere. The pull-tabs of this decade. This kids father was a dentist, and designed a bunch of products--from CAD to a warehouse full of boxes. Set up a company for his son, paid for everything including the son's nice apartment, nice car, two boats, etc. This kid was handed just so much. His dad even set up the first appointments to peddle his products. He gave everything to his kid; all control, all profits--just a gift. The business just took off. This kid spend more time sailing, than any hard work. I think the $7.40/hr secretary was more responsible for the success of that business that the kid. When the business got huge--the kid moved it to Tennessee. Supposedly for tax reasons; I belive he didn't want his retired after hanging around the office. (Why didn't his father do it all? His father was a successful dentist. Very successful, and already owned other cash cows, like mini storages. He just wanted to give his son something.
Gavin Newsome, our luitenant governor. Kid went to college, and dropped out--dyslexic. Wanted to be a baseball player. Wasen't good enough. He was lost. Family stepped in and gave him money to open some bars. Failed. Family stepped in and gave him money to open speciality wine stores in San Francisco--kinda successful. Real success was family money, and marrying right. He didn't work very hard. Then the families friends, the Gettys decided to offer help. 'He needs direction. Let's make him mayor? He did work hard in that campaign, but not hard work like we you think. When you don't have to worry about lodging, travel, free legal guidance, free everything--it becomes a game.
Another kid I grew up with is very rich, even with a TBI. (He was in a bar fight, and was cold cocked.). He blames his bad attitude of his TBI. His parents bought him houses. His job, over the years, was to collect rent. No maintance. Just the rent. He now is living high, but if he doesn't cut back on the drinking, they will need to open that zipper in his chest again.
My point is when you are in your in your money making years, if you have it financially easy, offered good opportunities; there's not a lot of sweat.
Hard work is not what my neighbors do. Every successful person I knew/grew up with had a sympathetic, rich father.
When money isn't so tight, it does make it easier to finish school. The rich kids I knew didn't even have to go to school. A lot of their fathers did go to school though.
Yes, there are a few doctors who make a fortune off their patients. I look back, it seems like the wealthy doctors slept through the ethics class though.
Yes, there are lawyers who made a fortune, and did work hard getting through law school. Their kids did not have to go to a professional school, in order to "make it".
My point is their kids did not work that hard.
I'm sorry, but I just didn't see it.
It seems like once you are wealthy, it's hard to squander it away, unless you come from a very poor family, have just horrid judgement, or no one around to guide you. A poor guy wins the lottery--yea, it's usually gone.
But the wealthy families here, just seem to keep that money.
Their is usually a wise patriarch that puts the breaks on bad business moves. Even the family's with the stereotypical drug addict son/daughter don't get cut off. They are sent to rehab, and yes some die.
My point is obvious. The wealth, the support, the good advice will take a average, the average, below average intellect very far here. They do not work hard, or I'm missing all their sweat?
Look at Eric Trump, and his brother. Look at their wealth accumulation. Try to find where they worked hard.
There's a lovely picture of both of them working hard in Africa. They are holding up a dead Tiger. One has a elephants tail, freshly cut off in his little hands. Dad's response, "He's--a--Good Shot!".
Tell me these kids worked Hard. (They are easy targets, but not that unusual for rich kids.)
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If you're earning over $180k (which you would on the interest of $24mm), you'd be in the top 0.2% of earners for Loudoun County. That's not middle class at all.
That seems really off, considering that the top 1% (down with the 1%, etc.) make at least $428k nationwide.[1] Where are you getting the information? [1]: http://www.kiplinger.com/article/taxes/T054-C000-S001-what-s...
I just rechecked my numbers, and it turns out I was reading from the wrong column, earning >$180,000 a year would put you in the top 2.7%
https://datausa.io/profile/geo/loudoun-county-va/#income_dis...
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"everyone needs to be saved" Unfortunately, the prevailing social zeitgeist in the US is that not everyone deserves to be saved- you have to earn the right to be deemed worthy enough to be saved, and really if you find yourself in a position where you need to be saved then it's probably your own fault and you should bootstrap your way out of it. The puritanical mindset is very, very strong and all-prevailing in the U…
>>Unfortunately, the prevailing social zeitgeist in the US is that not everyone deserves to be saved- you have to earn the right to be deemed worthy enough to be saved, and really if you find yourself in a position where you need to be saved then it's probably your own fault and you should bootstrap your way out of it. The puritanical mindset is very, very strong and all-prevailing in the US. I wasn't sure how to par…
That said, I'd say the perception of Americans being selfish has more to do with our terrible electoral system in which the incentives are such that we elect politicians that, in aggregate, portray a more selfish representation of our populace than really is there. This is how you get polls saying large majorities of Americans believe in Issue X, but you have Congressmen and POTUS arguing over whether or not to implement Issue X.
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#269I'm in France and I sometimes notice that USA articles focus only on underpriviledged talent . Why only the talents? It's a bit like rape is fought against, except in prisons because they're lower-grade citizen. Or like articles describing unwarranted violence from the SWAT teams: "The family was playing poker, they got busted for illegal gaming, 3 died" will trigger fewer reaction than "The SWAT team killed the dog.…
I agree with you - and if everyone spoke with this candor I wouldn't have a problem helping. The problem is that instead of saying what you've said, we try to help AS IF everyone is talented. Everyone is equally intelligent, hard working, etc. Everyone has equal potential is something ingrained to us as Americans. Then later, when people make boneheaded decisions etc, we want to fix those mistakes AFTER the fact. Tha…
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#270I wish I could remember where I read this, but I once heard it explained to me as this: It's easy to deride the journey of the rich college student: 80-hour internships at Goldman Sachs, unpaid positions in government, etc. But, the things that are done by successful people are hard, as hard as walking a tightrope. The difference is that rich students walk this tightrope over a bed of pillows. Poor students walk it o…
Respectfully, this is kinda BS. Your average American kid has already won a genetic lottery. Being born and raised in America is already great. I grew up the kid of immigrant parents from an African country and I am an immigrant myself at 5 years old. I have a great job at a major well known tech company in a technical programming position. I'm not the kid that got straight A's. I was the smart fuckup. I almost flunk…