Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

Post by gormo2 » Thu, Sep 29, 2016, 4:49 AM UTC

pron wrote: post #132

ilaksh wrote: post #114

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Deep learning is not a simple statistical clustering algorithm. Trial and error is a main way that people learn and it works.

> Deep learning is not a simple statistical clustering algorithm. What is it, then? In the 60s people used backpropagation to train neural networks. NN + BP is a very simple statistical clustering algorithm. I know that when I worked on neural networks in the 90s we still used backpropagation. Are they using something different now?

Post by hyperbovine » Thu, Sep 29, 2016, 5:19 AM UTC

coldtea wrote: post #99

xenobioticants wrote: post #84

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'it really is a giant among giants.' You're confused. That would be Alphabet, not Apple. To put it in perspective for you, Google has: ~90% of the search market ( https://www.statista.com/statistics/216573/worldwide-market-... ) ~90% of the smartphone market ( https://techcrunch.com/2016/08/18/gartner-androids-smartphon... ) ~50% of the online advertisement market ( http://www.emarketer.com/Article/Google-Still-Domin…

>* I can think you can see the point I'm making: yes, Apple has a big pile of cash, a fat amount of profit and high stock value. However, Alphabet its influence and reach is far, far beyond that of Apple. Its just not as flashy & visible.* Yeah, Alphabet is bigger in every way that counts except those two inconsequential things for companies: revenue and profit.

Post by mbrock » Thu, Sep 29, 2016, 5:37 AM UTC

ladzoppelin wrote: post #117

ladzoppelin wrote: post #113

Who gives a sh!t that Apple was not at the meeting. I think the main takeaway is that 4-5 companies might control one of the most powerful technologies/ideas of the last 5 years. Its already hard enough competing with these companies how is this good for everybody else?

edit: "The group plans to make discussions and minutes from meetings publicly available." I guess that is cool. But what about the competitive advantage these companies have right now? Does anybody monitor that stuff? I am not talking robots and singularity crap but rather companies that have means and the ability to make every decision with ML and the data to create an insurmountable competitive advantage.

Post by mbrock » Thu, Sep 29, 2016, 5:52 AM UTC

oxryly1 wrote: post #41

Bud wrote: post #30

Oh, great. So all the companies that have recently had the most problems with ethics issues and user privacy issues are now collaborating in order to more effectively address those issues? Pardon me if my scoffing is audible.

IMHO ethics will effectively be the defining characteristic of AI in the future. The companies who innovate AI, however, will probably never mention it except as marketing copy. That leaves literally everyone else holding the bag in regards to judging the industries actions and holding it accountable for transgressions. I'm not sure how that will work out, but I'm not terribly hopeful...

Post by danblick » Thu, Sep 29, 2016, 5:55 AM UTC

gavman wrote: post #49

>>"As of today’s launch, companies like Apple, Twitter, Intel and Baidu are missing from the group. Though Apple is said to be enthusiastic about the project, their absence is still notable because the company has fallen behind in artificial intelligence when compared to its rivals — many of which are part of this new group." It seems Apple's lack of engagement in the community [1] is really starting to hurt it. Did…